Fallbrook residents show support for Arizona’s enforcement of immigration law

A group of local residents, fluctuating in size from twelve to twenty and affiliated with the Fallbrook Tea Party, is showing their support today of the enforcement of immigration law currently taking place in the state of Arizona.

The group, carrying signs and waving at motorists, were seen beginning at 10 a.m. this morning on the north and east sidewalks of the Fallbrook Post Office property making their opinion known to drivers traveling along both South Mission Road and Fallbrook Street.

“This has nothing to do with race; it’s just about enforcing federal and state laws,” said Katey Pfeil, a 2004 graduate of Fallbrook High School, who was participating in the demonstration along with her mother, Sherry Pfeil.

“We are simply supporting the fact that Arizona is enforcing the law,” said Sherry.

Many passersby honked their horns in approval, cheered from their windows, and waved in a friendly manner to the group.

“Overall we’ve had a really good response today to being out here,” said Dan Dakovich.

As of 12:30 p.m., participant Christine Moosa said the group had only experienced five negative responses to its activity.

“We did have about five unfriendly hand gestures,” said Moosa.

Moosa said the enforcement of immigration law is critical.

“We have this law on the books and we are not enforcing it,” she said. “When you start picking and choosing which [laws] to enforce, you get chaos.”

In April of this year, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into effect SB 1070, an immigration bill that makes it a state crime for an individual not to carry proof of legal immigration status.

Several in today’s group of demonstrators commended Brewer, a Republican, for her bold action on enforcing the immigration law. Brewer has told the press that she signed the bill in response to a spike in violence along Arizona’s U.S./Mexican border.

“We love Jan Brewer; she’s a brave lady,” said Sherry Pfeil.

The Fallbrook Tea Party, organized by local residents Cliff and Laura Sumrall, held its first meeting on March 23 and its third meeting Tuesday night.

“We had between 145 and 150 show up on Tuesday,” said Dakovich. “We have more and more new people continuing to come into the organization and are continuing to get a little larger.”




137 Responses to "Fallbrook residents show support for Arizona’s enforcement of immigration law"

  1. Danilo Katich   July 29, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    I commend the Arizona Governor for the attempt to protect the border, something the Government of our Country is unwilling to do. Why are we spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lost lives overseas and unwilling to protect our borders from illegals and drug smugglers? Is this a land of law or lawlessnes?
    November is coming, throw out the incumbants, elect conservatives who will support the Constitution and our bill of righta.

  2. Ray (the real one)   July 29, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    I have downloaded the PDF of the decision by Judge Brewer and found at least two flaws in her decision which constitutes an appeal. one is USC Section 1308, documentation which requires all legal immigrants to keep in their possession their "green card" in case of law enforcement contact. USC Section 1328 states that illegal entry is not a crime but a civil action, but multiple actions becomes a crime. According to ICE, most illegals have multiple violations, one yar and $10.000 fine, both. ALL STATES have a requirement that upon contact, persons questioned MUST present identification. Now the federal government has instructed states (ALL) states to accept, passports, green cards (resident aliens), guest worker permits and in some states, the Matricula consular Card, California being one. If it’s the law for me to carry some sort of identification, so should "border hoppers". Most id not "all" states do not allow illegal aliens to drive, probable cause "if" stopped, a no brainer. I see the "badda bing" administration "hispandering" ignoring the American people and the constitution over the political nonsense of the demi-coms, Pelosi, Reid and the "PRI" party they wish to create. All the Obama administration is creating is "racism" for political gain, race bating, the democratic way. REMEMBER, it’s the feds who are responsible to secure the borders, they have FAILED, past and present. What’s the oath they take?

  3. Ray (the real one)   July 29, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Judge Bolton for all you accuracy and spelling numbies. My error.

  4. Ray (the real one)   July 29, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Don’t forget about 287 (g). What training is required? Speaking spanish and the ability to run fast? GAWD, child stuff. Most security officers can do that already, why all the nonsense training by the fed? it’s politics! My spanish is limited to " get on the ground or I’ll shoot you", that should be enough.

  5. mom of lots   July 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Danilo- you hit the nail on the head. We do not protect our own country, but police other nations instead.

  6. Susie   July 29, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    And with our move towards a Civil War which many knew was coming when Obamanation took office, that is all we need to know in the Mexican language Ray. Course I might add "your days of free food, free housing, free medical care, not paying any taxes, lowered utiltilies, free lunches and breakfasts for your 18 kids is now over. Kiss the ground cause its the last time you will ever touch American soil again.

    The first thing anyone running in November should be addressing is getting the illegals out now and how they plan on going about it. If that is not first on their list of priorities, then dont vote for them. IF it is their number 1 concern and they do not uphold that promise, they are out on their asses. WE vote and hire a politician to do a job, if they do NOT, they no longer have that job. Simple. If we want someone out, all we do is hold a special ballot for his removal. Eventually politicians will know they are responsible for what they promise and they best do IT. All these years we listen to promises and never get a delivery. Its time we fire those who not do the job, and we have every right. Once a special ballot is created for removal of a non performing politician then we can hold one for Obama and kick his azz to the curb where he belongs. See if he can come up with something more creative on his next "View" Visit.

    The simple plan to get them out.
    1. They have until August 15 to leave on their own
    2. Effectice August 1 all medical care, welfare, low cost housing, schooling for the 18 kids, food cards, will end immediately. If an illegal has a medical emergency they will be treated at the ER, but immediately put on the bus to Mexico.
    3. Anyone harboring or bringing illegals into this country will recieve 50 years hard labor on the Great Wall of the USA going up between USA and Mexico.
    4. Bringing home every single one of our soldiers over the next several months, and they will be the guards and implement the building of the Great Wall.
    5. Any illegal shipped out who returns will get 50 years of hard labor on the Wall.
    6. Any illegal apprehended after the August 15th date will recieve 50 years of hard labor on the Great Wall. If its women and children they will do the cooking and cleaning for the men working on the Great Wall and our soldiers.
    7. Our soldiers will rotate shifts every 2 weeks. They work 2 weeks, 2 weeks off with family šŸ™‚ Rinse and Repeat.
    8. All prisoners in our Jails who are illegals, the exception is murders, will do the remainder of their time on the Great Wall also in an area that is more set up for prisoners. This will clean out our jail substantially. Then ship them over the wall when they have served their time.

    There ya go politicians. Very simple, You got us in this situation now get us OUT, or WE WILL.

  7. Fallbrookian   July 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    I think the Arizona Governor should run for President. She would have my vote. This law is the best law on the books and will benefit everyone. I support her 100%.

  8. diana   July 29, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    when and where i want to join I am american but hispanic descent and i do support the AZ law

  9. GUEST   July 29, 2010 at 9:29 pm


  10. Sarah   July 30, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Obviously everyone has their own opinions. Just to throw mine out there here it goes; Let people live like people.Most of these Illegals are here to work. No they are not taking our taxes. People please! They need a social security card to get taxes back or medicare and all that good stuff. I mean I have not seen one hispanic begging for money. Total opposite they beg for work. They are not going to want to leave when their kids have a better future in this country. Let them have a better future, why not?! Another thing, people have been saying "why cant they get legalized like everybody else". The thing is that most of these people saved just enough to bring themselves and their families to this country. To get "legalized" you must pay a lawyer (we all know that can’t be cheap) and living in a 3rd world country all the money they make goes to feed their famalies. So Im going to do like wise, just like Jesus said. Why am I going to stand against these group of people? Just imagine if you where in their shoes.

  11. Ray (the real one)   July 30, 2010 at 3:39 am

    SB 1070 "is" going to the Supreme Court this year. Arizona filed an appeal in the "ninth circus court of schlameals" in San Francisco, once those "libbies" beat it to death, it’s SCOTUS bound where it will at least be heard by five who actually know the law. Remember the ninth is the most overturned circuit. More cases from there eventually go to SCOTUS.

  12. Ray (the real one)   July 30, 2010 at 3:47 am

    One thing I didn’t see in the story, any counter protestors? When I did the Matricula Consular Card protest in 2005, It took some time but some counter protestors did show up, buzzard flags in tow. I guess there was a sale on Budweiser the day of the protest, that explains it.

  13. x-valleydude   July 30, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Ask yourself this simple question: Why are the illegals here?
    Inforcing the border is part of the solution. Don’t forget that we still have employers (probably white and most likely Republicans) willing to hire illegals in order to make a buck. Our laws needs to be inforced or re-written to punish both illegals and employers who hire them. Government programs for the needy should only apply to legal residence of this country. The Politicians (Dems and GOP) should start acting like patriots of this country and do what is best for this country not what is best for them.
    If you think that by inforcing the border (adding 10,000 Border Patrols and so on) the problem is going away, think again. You still have millions of illegals in this country. What do you do with them? You have to crack down on the employers hard. No money means no rent, food, clothing, etc. Their only solution is to go back to their country of origin.

  14. Susie Hotincal38   July 30, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Fallbrookian, I totally agree. If the Arizona governor ran for president I would vote for her. I am sure not going to vote for anyone else unless they have shown a clear history of removing illegals. Not talking about doing it, not trying to do it, but doing it, making it happen. If we all got together on this and followed a few things we would force our government to get the illegals out. Before we start taking care of it.
    ValleyDude- READ My Posts. We can easily start today, and continue to get stronger everyday in removing illegals.
    Ray-you are the bombdiggity, you will definately be an officer in our Civil War on Illegals.

    -FILL OUT A NEW W-2 at work and write exempt in all the boxes. You will not have any taxes taken out for a time until our government takes action. Believe me, if all of us do this for one month, our government will HAVE to take action. That is a insane amount of tax dollars they will be missing.
    -FOLLOW THE LAW PEOPLE, if someone comes into the WELFARE OFFICE to get food cards, support, medical, low income housing, etc, refuse to help them. Workers listen up, if they are illegal, then helping them in any way is aiding and abetting a criminal. You are breaking the law everytime you HELP an ILLEGAL remember that!!!
    -LANDLORDS, better start getting them OUT NOW. You are aiding and abetting ILLEGALS that is against the law and you will suffer the consequences. Do NOT rent to anyone who is not a US Citizen, or have a current Visa, or Resident card. Anyone else if they have expired get them out. YOu will eventually get charged with this crime, even if its when a Civil War Starts, and it will.
    -URGENT CARES, doctors offices, clinics, ER’s- if they are illegal do not help them unless they have a life or death emergency. It is illegal to aid and abet a criminal. Even their children are illegal if the parents are illegal. If you provide care to a illegal or their children, and it is NOT an emergency, you will eventuallyl be charged, so start practicing now and turn them away for every sniffle. GEt their whole famdamily out of the waiting room so people with broken legs have somewhere to sit for heavens sake.
    -EMPLOYERS, get used to it now or you will be spending time on the Great WAll of the USA, do NOT hire them and kick out the ones you have NOW. Out of everyone you guys are the top of my list. If it comes to a Civil War, this old Grandma will be going to business’s first, and you are not going to want me walking through your door. Start making the changes now.

    If anyone else has any ideas which are LEGAL to get rid of ILLEGALS please add it. All of these are legal ways to get the ball rolling and get some of them out of here. While we wait for the government to do something or our Civil War Starts.

    Step 2 repeated from Above: Civil War Begins Under US Citizen TERMS

    The simple plan to get them out.
    1. They have until August 15 to leave on their own
    2. Effectice August 1 all medical care, welfare, low cost housing, schooling for the 18 kids, food cards, will end immediately. If an illegal has a medical emergency they will be treated at the ER, but immediately put on the bus to Mexico.
    3. Anyone harboring or bringing illegals into this country will recieve 50 years hard labor on the Great Wall of the USA going up between USA and Mexico.
    4. Bringing home every single one of our soldiers over the next several months, and they will be the guards and implement the building of the Great Wall.
    5. Any illegal shipped out who returns will get 50 years of hard labor on the Wall.
    6. Any illegal apprehended after the August 15th date will recieve 50 years of hard labor on the Great Wall. If its women and children they will do the cooking and cleaning for the men working on the Great Wall and our soldiers.
    7. Our soldiers will rotate shifts every 2 weeks. They work 2 weeks, 2 weeks off with family šŸ™‚ Rinse and Repeat.
    8. All prisoners in our Jails who are illegals, the exception is murders, will do the remainder of their time on the Great Wall also in an area that is more set up for prisoners. This will clean out our jail substantially. Then ship them over the wall when they have served their time.
    9. Any employers employing illegals will get 50 years on the WALL. If we walk in and find 20 of them working for you, your entire family who has reaped the benefits of you ripping off the government of taxes and our citizens of jobs will do 50 years on the Great Wall right beside you.

    There ya go politicians. Very simple, You got us in this situation now get us OUT, or WE WILL.

  15. Daniel R   July 30, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Ray, is budweiser relevant to the topic…Do you also say that certain ethnic group likes to drink kool-aid? Stay relevant, you’re comments make you look like an axx.

    Gotta love the internet & the people hiding behind a computer screen…

  16. Ray (the real one)   July 30, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Sarah: Seems you don’t get out much. First of all it’s illegal to just walk in to this country for whatever reason. Second illegal aliens do cost you and I alot of money in a variety of areas like social services, schools, prisions, health care, and pay nothing in return. It’s not our problem that Mexico can’t get it’s act together, maybe they should be protesting in Mexico City rather than Arizona. All it takes is the basics in mathamatics to figure out that unless something is done, we are going to pay and pay and pay. It’s nice yo have a "kum bah yah" personality but after the high is gone, reality sets in, at least for most. I want a better life for myself, but I don’t rob banks to reach my goal. And please keep your god out of this discussion, Remember separation of church and state.

  17. Ray (the real one)   July 30, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Daniel R: My comment was, you just don’t read much. Excuse me for your lack of being well read.

  18. John Dillinger   July 30, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Wow! Three people in a protest, wait I’m wrong 12-20 that’s about .0004% of Fallbrook. I can’t believe this is what it takes to make the front page in this town…
    that’s sad šŸ™ I don’t blame the FBVN times are hard and writers need $$$$

  19. fallbrookres   July 30, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Sarah and Guest I’m not sure why you would think of racism. hmmm if you come into a country that has LAWS that require a GREENCARD or VISA and you decide that you don’t want to do what the law requires then you are going AGAINST THE LAW. You are coming into the country ILLEGALLY!!!! Maybe you and all the Illegals and the people which I can’t even call an American don’t like our LAWS then go find a country that you can cross the borders and live free without any laws. hmmm maybe Mexico oh wait you do have to have a passport and/or a visa if you decide to live there. The word racism is used so much anymore that you don’t even know the true meaning. If the same person that is here illegally decided to come back to this country the legal way, then come on over – welcome – my inlaws came from Germany the LEGAL WAY with the correct papers in hand. Taught themselves english and immersed themselves into being an AMERICAN of German decent. SHAME ON THE PEOPLE THAT DON’T WANT TO ENFORCE THE LAW OF OUR GREAT NATION!!!!

  20. Daniel R   July 30, 2010 at 10:31 am

    That is positive news John. That means that .0004% of fallbrook in unemployed, relatively good compared to the state average…

  21. Ray The Real One)   July 30, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Immigration Reform, The Right Way: Everyone here illegally MUST return to their home country to apply for citizenship, resident alien, student visa, etc. The real "back of the line".
    If the person who is applying to come here has done it illegally, they must pay a fine, now a federal misdemeanor is one year and $10.000. I suggest $10.000 for each adult, $5.000 for every child, payable on entry. In addition everyone applying who has entered illegally will immediately receive a misdemeanor charge on his record, no time. They must learn English within two years or face deportation. They must not commit or have committed a crime, for the same period of time. They must provide a copy of their criminal record and health certificate from their home country propir to applying. They must show the ability to sustain themselves meaning a job that will support the number requesting entry. They are barred from receiving any social services or benefits for two years. If any of these conditions are violated, immediate deportion. Funny thing, this is how our immigration system was 100 years ago. Just some of my immigration plan.

  22. Jake   July 30, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    TeaParty is just a bunch of white whiners, just like the NAACP is a bunch of black whiners. Look who freaking cares what color or where your from we are all here so deal with it. We need a New Revolution one to whipe out the haters and anti this and that let’s just love eachother, is it really that hard. This Country was founded on “illegals” so stop whining about it and start working together, The real enemy is BIG GOV. and the people that support them.

  23. Jacob   July 30, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    At least we should be thankful it has not turned into border wars like the middle east…yet! Dont forget we are all immigrants, the Native Americans have all the right to remind us we are outsiders. Overall, we need to pay more attention to drug cartels crossing the borders, not illegals searching for a better life. Fallbrook racist you must be a former KKK member.

  24. mom of lots   July 30, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    to Guest- it has nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with tax paying American citizens paying outrageous taxes to support illegal immigrants. I love Mexicans- have friends that are, but they pay their way. I love helping the poor- and I do it. I am MAD at my government, not mad at illegal Mexicans. My government has allowed this unfair arrangement. It is unfair to legal and illegal immigrants ALL the way around.

  25. Me   July 30, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I don’t get it.

    As citizens of the United States we have to follow all the laws of the land. If I decide to ignore a drug law or shoplift, lie on employment papers, ignore the tax laws or commit any one of the thousands of misdemeanors and felonies there are on the books, I’d get arrested.

    But somehow if you are an illegal immigrant….suddenly you’re treated "special." What other group of people are allowed to thumb their noses at police with immunity?

    I don’t care what country you come from…the answer is simple….YOU FOLLOW THE LAWS.

    With all the truly complicated problems there are in life, I fail to see why the illegal immigration issue seems to confuse our elected officials so much.


    1) If you enter illegally…..you get deported. If you re-enter illegally….you go to jail.

    2) If you are already here illegally…..Get out now. If you don’t you get deported. If you return….see step #1.

    I really don’t care if you are here "for your family." I don’t care if you are here for "a better life." You are breaking the laws of our country.

    I guess if I decided to rob a bank to get money "to help my family," it would be just fine huh?

    We don’t get to pick or choose which laws we want to obey.

  26. Me   July 30, 2010 at 1:48 pm


    There is a HUGE difference between a LEGAL immigrant and an ILLEGAL immigrant. I fail to see why this confuses some of you.

    My grandparents came through New York and followed all the laws of the land to become citizens. They didn’t crawl over fences, hide in automobile trunks, or stash away in a Panga while completely ignoring immigration requirements.

    It’s not brain surgery here folks. You follow the laws and you are fine. You don’t and you pay the price…..Just like we citizens do every day.

  27. SUSAN   July 30, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Who cares about this LAW. Immigration will never END. Just about every country in the world has legal or illegal immigrants. Amazingly, the strongest first world countries have immigrants. THERE ARE MORE THINGS TO FOCUS ON. Come on GET A LIFE if all you worry about is illegal immigrants.

  28. ANNOYED   July 30, 2010 at 3:16 pm


  29. Mia   July 30, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Let us get something straight not only minorities are on HUD, welfare etc…………….I had a neighbor who paid 80 a month for living in 3 bedroom house next door to me, while I sat here and paid my 2K mortgage a month, the federal goverment paid the rest to the landlord. These people all 3 of them did not work and then began to sell meth out of this house. They were eventually caught and put in jail and lost their HUD, but get this. When they were arrested they continued to receive HUD not until I contacted HUD were they made aware these people were arrested, they eventually lost the federal funding. The two agencies do not communicate, I am sure there are many more cases of this out there. If anyone wants to be mad at anyone be mad @ the government people would not come to this country unless someone employs them. Do you people really expect your teenagers to do the jobs these people do? I can see them now texting in the middle of picking fruit get real!

  30. amy   July 30, 2010 at 3:52 pm


  31. Me   July 30, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Sorry amy, I mow my own yard….all 2 acres of it. And guess what? I also clean my own house as well.

    Illegal is illegal.

  32. Ray (the real one)   July 30, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Jake: Lions & tigers, Kum Bah Yah ain’t going to happen.

    Jacob: Whats the difference, still illegal activity. When do we get to pick and choose which laws to follow? How about If I just take your car, cause I want it.

    SUSAN: America loves immigrants, please understand their are two types, legal and illegal.

    Mia: I guess I must do my John & Juan thing. John has 10 apples, Juan 7. John has 2 rotton apples, Juan has three but Juan took his apples from Jakes tree without permission. Which of the two have more rotten apples per basket and which one stole them. I would rather have my tax money support John than Juan because Juan broke the law and he’s a rotten apple.

    Amy: Can’t answer your response, Because your a child just looking for fun instead of having an honest discussion and frankly, I and people here don’t babysit. Please go back yo FaceBook or one of the other kiddie sites.

  33. SB   July 30, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    I’m against the Arizona law. It’s interesting to me that people argue that this isn’t racial, but I doubt there will be any white non-Hispanic people asked for their ID. They didn’t call putting Japanese Americans in internment camps during WWII racial either, although somehow, strangely enough, even after we joined the war in Europe, there were no German Americans in internment camps.

    Racism is racism.

    And it’s up to the feds to guard the borders. Aren’t local law enforcement agencies all over the country already strained by budget cuts?

    This will just create interracial hostility – more than there is already. Why do people WANT more hostility? Especially against people who just want to work to support their families. Go after the employers instead, force them to pay a living wage, benefits, and to stop enticing people over the border for jobs no one else wants because they refuse to pay a decent wage. They want slaves, and they almost have them, and we are blaming the slaves?

    Our country is falling apart at the seams, and all because we were attacked by terrorists – I think the terrorists got exactly what they wanted, a US filled to the brim with fear and hatred. It’s sad.

  34. USHISTORY   July 30, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    there are citizens and legal residents who break the laws and never get caught. We know all their info and even social number but they are roaming freely. So how can you prosecute someone who enters illegally with no personal info, valid IDs…I rather prosecute a murderer or child molester who we have all info asap. Than someone who cross the border illegally who we can’t even ID. NATIVE AMERICANS PLEASE REMIND US WE ARE ALL ILLEGALS. THAT WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF YOUR WEAKNESS, AND MADE AN UNFAIR DEAL WITH YOU BY OFFERING ALCOHOL FOR LANDS.

  35. SB   July 30, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    I will vote for a new law to run all the racists out of the country. That I’ll be behind 100%. Go somewhere else and spew your venom, if anyone will have you.

  36. MARY   July 30, 2010 at 5:20 pm


  37. amy   July 30, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    to me you must be a mexican.jajaja

  38. SUPERMAN   July 30, 2010 at 5:29 pm



  39. AMY   July 30, 2010 at 5:35 pm


  40. AMY   July 30, 2010 at 5:56 pm


  41. Susie   July 30, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    SB our country is falling apart at the seams and has been because our politicians do not enforce the illegals immigrant laws in this Country. If they were enforced we would have, someone said in another long stream of comments)something like 65% less going out in Welfare, food cards, low in come housing etc.
    Can you imagine a pay hike for the USA of 65 percent? That is phenomenal. WE could then hire back all the customs and INS workers we have laid off due to lack of funds, they could utilize the border checks they have closed down, IE Temecula one.

    This is not RACISM, this is getting our country back to the basics of enforcing our laws. The politicians are legall responsible to enforce the laws we have voted IN.
    Otherwise they are aiding and abetting criminals, in this case illegal immigrants. This calls for impreachment and jail for every official not working to get these people out, and stop paying for them to live here with our tax payer money.

    Our president goes on the VIEW instead of sitting back and saying, hey, I said a year ago I would bring home our soldiers with in a year, I havent done that. I am not getting the Illegals out of our country, we are now a 3rd world country. I am breaking laws here. I better get on this NOW. Bring our soldiers home to control our Great Wall of the USA along Mexico and USA, and use more soldiers to go with INS and Customs officers to round up all the illegals who did not leave on t heir own as warned.

    Those not leaving as warned will be in prison camps along the Great Wall building the Wall until their sentence is up. If they get caught a 2nd time in the USA its automatic 50 years on the WAll.

    Now very simple, bring all our soldiers home put most on border, 2nd get all illegals off our welfare programs including low income section 8, give them the date to get out, set up the camps along the border to build the wall, and then round up the ones who did not leave voluntarily.
    Now we have our soldiers home who are fighting a war that is not even our WAR. AFghan and Iraq can take care of themselves if they choose to. We have given them the resources, we are done, end of story, now we go on to keep ALL ILLEGALS out of this country.

    Mr. President, any uneducated, mentally disabled person could come up with this very simple plan of getting our country out of 3rd world country status, and get us back to the prosperous country we once were. You are supposed to be the brilliant one here, the one to help and save our country, but still our people are homeless, hungry, need physical, mental and medical care. But we are spending all our time in our welfare offices helping Illegals.
    Did you know Mr. President that most of our now unemployed citizens will not even walk into a welfare office? They are embarrassed to even ask for help. Even thought they have worked their asses off all their lives.
    They also know the illegals sitting in that office, oh 95% of them, will get housing help with their 11 kids before he does. The man who served in our military, the man who supported his family without ever having to ask for asistance.

    Either you abide by the laws that you are forced to as president of the USA MR. Obamanation or you are also committing crimes for everyone of these illegals in this country. We as Citizens are no longer going to tolerate you doing nothing Obama. You are forcing our hand to a Civil War. Which most of us knew you would do when you took office. Now go back on the VIEW and talk about THAT.

  42. AMY   July 30, 2010 at 5:59 pm


  43. Reeves   July 30, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    It is so disgusting that you all just say racism.. the only people who use racism as an excuse, have nothing else to argue. I am tired of seeing all these people get government help because there children were born here. What would happen if you went to Mexico and had a child? would you get anything, very doubtful. The law is the law, that is what us Americans are so upset about. There are millions of law breakers here and nothing is being done about it. It is seriously annoying. I know of many Mexican people who are here legally, who did what they needed to do to be here, and even they are upset. So are they racist? Wait I am sure you guys will say that Mexicans aren’t racist. Also, the reason that Mexicans would be fingered out, is because that is were the problem comes from. Mexico is our border country, so who else would they be questioning? If your here legally, than carry an ID and show and prove them wrong. Americans have to carry an ID.
    I am sure that other countries are watching this and terrorists are laughing that we can’t even guard our own border. Once a terrorist crosses the border and does something here like 9-11, then you will all change your tune. You will all question "why didn’t we do something to stop it". Well this is why.

  44. guest   July 30, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    FVN please give more info re: Tea Party. I want to join;)

  45. nancysongwriter   July 30, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Jake: "we need a New Revolution one to whipe (hon, it’s wipe) out the haters……let’s just love eachother." Really wipe out the haters?

    Who gets to decide and how are you going to wipe them out with your New Revolution? Speaking and actions are related. Sometimes bold speech eventually causes actions, often not really thought through or intended. But, by then it’s too late.

    But then again all the un-hateful ones will still be around to "love eachother".

  46. Ray (the real one)   July 30, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    SB: I am sure if we shared a common border with China, you would say the same thing right?. It all comes down to legal vs. illegal, cheapening citizenship and people who think they can do whatever they want without fear. Besides the word "racist" and "racism" has been so cheapened, it’s meaningless today. Using the internment camps during WWII was partly for national security and the hysteria of Pearl Harbor. But Italians and Germans also suffered the same treatment, there were camps for then also but histroy rarely mentions that. I guess the Japanese have a better lobby group. There is no country if you can’t controls who enters. Like the good book says, everyone wants to get into heaven but some just have to go to hell.

    Support their families? that tired old line? I want a better life too but I don’t rob banks. I want a better car, I don’t take yours. Maybe they should protest in Mexico City rather than Phoenix Arizona. You watch way too much MSNBC.

  47. x-valleydude   July 31, 2010 at 7:18 am

    Cause & Effect!!
    The reason we have illegals is because we have employers (the Cause) willing to hire illegals (the Effect). Our borders are not enforced (the Cause) which gives illegals save passage (the Effect). Government laws have loopholes (the Cause) which illegals take advantage of (the Effect).
    Looks like everyone is going after the effect instead of the cause of the problem.
    We also have other problems as some of you already pointed out – welfare, HUD, etc. Do you think that once all illegals are deported, these people that are in welfare or unemployed will take jobs in fields picking tomatoes? Here we have another Cause and Effect. Has anyone thought of the aftermath? Farmers will loose crops, higher produce prices, small businesses will close. Do we have a game plan?

  48. justwondering   July 31, 2010 at 7:55 am

    In order for the status to be checked..one has to do something illegal..so whats the HUGE conflict?Anybody ever get pulled over in Mexico? And I do believe it is a law that WHEN you drive..you have to have a license..and if you drive you HAVE to have INSURANCE..and if you drive your car HAS to be Registered..and on and on. Laws are there for a reason..even a child understands rules..why cant everyone?

  49. Ray (the real one)   July 31, 2010 at 9:23 am

    justwondering: Because your dealing with people who’s intellect is far below a childs. I’ve been dealing with these "open borders" and " Kum Bah Yah" dinks since the early 1980’s and one thing I have learned, debate them, beat them up with facts and they always will fall back on their racist and xenophobic cards. I see that here every day from "hillies" who really have no idea whats going on in their own community, they are land locked to their ten acres and million dollar homesl like nancysongwriter "woodstock nancy" .

    DR (FBVN): Don’t you just love the multiple screen names or "handles" you need a score card to keep up. Want to stop this practice without spending one dime, post IP addresses along with the comments.

    Mary a.k.a. Superman

  50. guest   July 31, 2010 at 10:11 am

    How can you tell an illegal from a legal person? Can someone explain thanks.

  51. SDSue   July 31, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Why is our Country defending criminals (undocumented, illegals, whatever) instead of defending the citizens of the USA? Can I pick which laws I want to follow and ignore the rest just because I need something too? Our freedoms are at stake here. Don’t for 1 minute think that all Americans of Mexican descent can be swayed to believe that Arizona’s law is bad. This is our Country! Love it or leave it. Follow its laws or go to jail, on second thought, if you don’t like our laws….just leave.

  52. Daniel R   July 31, 2010 at 11:02 am

    IP adresses you say? lol welcome to 2010. Some people have multiple IP adresses, that idea, just like your others, won’t do a dang thing.

  53. Daniel R   July 31, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I wonder if it will get to be this bad (Ray)?

  54. Ist Sgt USMC ret.   July 31, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Gov. Brewer and Sheriff Joe are true American heroes. The majority against this law still beleive it is about race, it is not. The law is agaisnt the illegal invasion of our country, it is unfortunate it those who are breaking the law are mexicans. We must defend our borders, if we do not do that simple task we can not accomplish the goals of taking care of Americans. We must get the illegals out of our ER’s, classromms, and off the dole. If we do tha then the tax dollars being bled off by the illegals will go for Americans. It is not racist to defend America!

  55. Fallbrookian   July 31, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Jake (Comment #22) "TeaParty is just a bunch of white whiners, just like the NAACP is a bunch of black whiners. Look who freaking cares what color or where your from we are all here so deal with it."

    Do you not know the basis of the Tea Party? It is a TAX REVOLT. It is a revolt against big government. It has NOTHING to do with racism.

    On the other hand, the NAACP, which is the ‘National Association for the Advancement of Colored People’, is one of the countries founding racist organizations. They started legal racism in this country and people are still applauding them for doing so. How does that happen? How come that organization is allowed to exist in our society. It is a shameful organization with a bunch of racist zealots leading "their people" into one idiotic revolt after another. They are offensive in every way.

    In no way shape or form should any race get away with promoting the advancement of only their race. The NAACP repulses me and anyone who joins in is a class A racist. The NAACP is just the black version of the Aryan Nation, or the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos. These groups are all identical.

    So, when you say "who freaking cares what color or where you are from", guess what? The Tea Party doesn’t care, but the NAACP does.

  56. Ray (the real one)   July 31, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Daniel R: Dufdus, I can track you. DSL, varible IP, Cable, Static. Keeps the nonsense to a minimum.

  57. Ray (the real one)   July 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    guest: That’s easy, the one who runs when a guy in a green uniform appears or anyone in uniform, but that’s just one way. Can’t tell you all the tricks.

  58. Ray (the real one)   July 31, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Daniel R: New York Times, Yeah right. You actually want me to comment on a story published in a paper that in order to read it, you need to lean at a 45 degree angle. If they published a weather report, I’d question it. But to satisfy your question, let me get my Yamacha on, Payback a Bytch.

  59. Ray (the real one)   July 31, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Ist Sgt USMC ret: Right on!

  60. justwondering   July 31, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Comments 54 and 55..THANK YOU..both comments. In todays society if you are against ILLEGAL immigration and the BENEFITS they are getting,then you are labeled a RACIST..but as 55 pointed out the NAACP has for many years been a racist organization supported by Winfrey..Fonda…etc. Now,if there should be a NATIONAL SCHOLARSHIP FOR WHITE CHILDREN….A WHITE ENTERTAINER OF THE YEAR AWARD…A WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TV STATION..a college for WHITE people..etc…then WHITES would be labeled Racist…There is a HUGE double standard in our country,and its time someone brought this front and center..but if they did SOMEONE would label them RACIST..

  61. hobo_beans   July 31, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Neo-fascism usually includes nationalism, anti-immigration policies or, where relevant, nativism, anti-communism, and opposition to the parliamentary system and liberal democracy. Welcome to America, 2010.

  62. dufrene   July 31, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    I’m caucasian and four years ago I was accepted to work for a local water authority. Part of my post job interview was to show proof of citizenship by showing my social security card. Should I have been insulted and made a stink about this? I proudly pulled it out and became another follow the rules, tax paying, employee. Why is this so hard for people to get? It doesn’t matter what your skin color is, my employer is proof of that. Get legal, or get out.

  63. x-valleydude   July 31, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    To 1st Sgt USMC ret: These American employers (probably white and most likely Republican) who are hiring these illegals is the reason why they are here. We must also go after these traders (employers) who also is breaking the laws. Makes you wonder what our servicemen are fighting and dying for. Don’t care what race you are. If you break the law, you should be punished.

  64. Juan   July 31, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Sarah-You say MOST of the "illegals" are in this country to "work". That’s just not true. You have been living in a bubble.
    Take a look at the gangs in Orange Co, LA and beyond. Most of the hispanics are illegals. Doing crime.

    Sorry to bust your bubble. There’s just not enough work for those who are here legally.

  65. Sandi   July 31, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    We the People need to take back our country. You people that whine, have not even been down to the border. The trash these illegals leave behind as they cross illegally into our fine country. It would make you sick. This trash includes prayer rugs, koran books, translation books, along with backpacks, empty water jugs, dirty clothes. Our borders are open some with fence some with barbed wire only. The illegals are not just doing the picking, lawn jobs and housecleaning. They have taken over construction jobs. Construction is 29 per cent unemployment, but you do not hear about that from our elected officials. My husband and I support Arizonia, we drove down there in June for the buycott. There were many speakers and supporters from California.

  66. SB   July 31, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Why does the Tea Party seem to want to blame poor people for high taxes? I pay taxes too, have paid them all my adult life. I don’t like it, but to have the government services we need, we need to pay taxes. What do they think this country would be like if no one paid taxes? It would be chaotic. No roads, no law enforcement, no military, no medical services for those who can’t afford it – many of them elderly or mentally ill, and those are not all illegally here, not by a long stretch. We have homeless people who are veterans and can’t get the services they need. A lot of us can’t afford the best medical care. I lost a tooth just this year that I couldn’t get an implant or bridge to replace, because I don’t have dental insurance and can’t afford it. I’ve worked all my life for what I have, couldn’t buy a house until my 40s, and it’s a tiny house with 1 bathroom, I drive a 26 year old car, when it runs. I was born here, and I can barely afford to live in Southern California.

    Yet we have CEOs of corporations who make millions and can’t be blamed personally for their companies breaking laws that affect everyone, and who are able to get by paying as little tax as possible because they can hire the best lawyers and accountants who understand all the loopholes. They pay into every single elected official’s campaign fund in both parties (except for a handful who refuse their donations, like Dennis Kucinich) so that we have laws to suit these modern plantation owners instead of The People. These are the enemies, not some poor people coming across the border because they can’t make a good enough living in their country.

    I just think it’s wise to pick your fights, to go after the real problems, not to stir up a lot of hatred over the little guy.

    Of course we need to improve immigration law. I know of a woman who is a US citizen but is married to an Australian and he cannot get a permit to look for work, even though they moved back here to help her ailing father.

    I don’t think this law is the answer. It once again picks on the poor, the minority, the people who are not the real problem.

    It’s also a sign of people projecting all their problems onto a defenseless group. Look to yourselves for the answers, not others. If I don’t have enough to pay my bills or can’t find a job or don’t like the taxes I’m paying, if I go along blaming illegal immigration for that, I’d get nowhere. I have to handle those problems myself, by adjusting my behavior.

    What bothers me the most about all the outrage toward illegal immigrants is that it leaks over onto those who are here legally as well as those who are citizens but happen to be Hispanic. This is not the same as needing to show your social security card when you get a job. This is going to the streets, stopping people for what reason? Demanding they show papers. (That’s something I was taught in school that Iron Curtain countries did, an atrocity against freedom, and something the SS did, while insisting Jews wore arm patches.) Maybe not all people for the Arizona law are racists, but the racists are encouraged by this. The situation is worsening, and not getting better because of this law.

    This country started with corporations only given temporary charters. They were only allowed for special reasons that benefited everyone, not a way for people to hide behind the law, pay off elected officials and make billions off the backs of the poor, here or in other countries. Go after them! Change the campaign financing laws and take back our country.

    This going after the poor is wrong. Morally wrong, and cowardly. That’s not what this country is supposed to be about.

  67. lovely   July 31, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Its sad to see that all of u approve something that is unconstitutional!!!!!! Dont u guys know that this law discriminates against only mexican race and to all of u out there there are lots of illegals who are not mexican. constitution says that we should not discriminate against race something that all of u racists are doing. so u guys are talking about breaking laws when u are breaking ur own!!!!!!! check the constitution people!!!!!!!!

  68. Redneck Bill   July 31, 2010 at 9:34 pm


    Keep on teabagging!

  69. Susie   August 1, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Daniel R. yes this is what it is going to come to across this nation, and it is happening now. We will grow stronger in taking care of the illegals on our own until our government do something about IT.
    What is this the NY times speaks of, community get alongs and all that. GET real, the people, the legal people of Staten Island want the illegals OUT, that is what is going to happen. NO one is going to stop until every last one of them are out of our USA and off our welfare plans, low income housing.
    We the citizens of the US want the illegal immigration laws ENFORCED. Simple.
    And Lovely we want them all gone, all nationalities.
    Our main point with Mexico is it a straight walk across for any illegal. We get all up set and supposedly will not allow illegals into our country since 9/11 and there is more in here now then there has ever been. They all use Mexico to get through and walk through with the several thousand a day.
    Keeping our soldiers over in Iraq and Afghan is not keepin the illegals OUT. We have then over there fighting to keep illegals out of their country to stop crime in their countries , but we cant even do it in our own!!

    Like I believe Ray Said. Well heck I want a new car, and I need some cash, I am going to go and steal me a car, and rob a few banks. That is just as ILLEGAL, and I would be arrested pretty dang fast huh? For you very few who are saying we are racist, how in Gods name can you say that???? I love and accept all people who are citizens of the USA. I despise anyone who came here illegal and take from our country.

    Also for those of you who say, that illegals come here to work this is the facts:
    They come here and make 1.00 a flat for strawberries, IF THEY WORK. Now that means if they work 10 hours, they can get ohhh say 20 flats filled and make 20.00 dollars a day. The employer is getting off cheap we know, doesnt have to pay employer taxes, doesnt have to pay workers compensation etc.
    In Mexico a working person is happy to make oh 40.oo dollars a week, and that is working in a hotel where they get tips. But again that is IF THEY WORK.
    Ok, now if an employer has no more illegals to hire he will have to hire our unemployed, or we will put the unemployed to work with him, or those on welfare, the work for welfare programs. The employer pays the minimum wage, has to provide clean drinking water, workers compensation, has to take out taxes, and now we have one USA citizen back to work making 8.00 bucks an hour, or 320.00 a week right?
    Believe me everyone single man without a job and unemployment wants a job, they cannot survive on on it. 320.00 a week is better then 150.00 a week. They can also still get some welfare help in cash cards for food, and low income housing this US Citizen. Women on Welfare or unemployment can be placed in hotel jobs or other cleaning type jobs for a regular wage, and also make up an difference with Welfare help.
    See if 60% of our Welfare and housing benefits are not going to illegals like they are now, and sometimes they are on an emergency list our own people cant get on cause they dont have enough kids(Mexican who has 11 kids are going to get a house before a US citizen of 4)we will be saving billion of dollars. Do you people understand that? They are illegal, on our benefits, benefits our own people could be using. Our elderly would not have to live in dumps waiting for 7 yrs to get in a decent low income house. Rents overall would go down because they would not be in such high demand with 60% of the illegals gone.
    The prices of everything would go down. Eventually in a few years taxes could be lowered because our state and federal programs would be back in the green, not in the red. Our US Citzens would be taken care of, better then they have in 30 years.
    Our elderly would not be left alone in a little shack to fend for themselves and die in a chair, with no one finding them for 30 days. OUr people would have jobs, or made to have jobs through the work for welfare and unemployment programs.
    Our school, oh God in heaven our schools. Free lunch to all the kids, no more 35 to 40 kids in a class. No more spending half the days class by teaching illegals to speak english. Spanish teaching teachers could not have a 20 to 25 kid classroom, we could afford field trips again, school sports programs, special ed teachers for speech problems, or learning problems. OH Lord, just for our elderly and the schools getting these illegals out of here is well worth it. I had grown so sick that 1/2 holiday song in school my kids sang at programs had to me in Spanish. Wait they were teaching my elementary and middle school kids spanish!!! Then they are required to have 3 years of spanish in high school to graduate. Now why is that>????? If they choose to take it fine, but it should NOT be a requirement at ALL.
    Hospitals and urgent cares, cliics would not be overfilled. They would not be closing all the time for the amount of illegals they are required to give medical care to for free. I have been in there and seen them, nope, no Identification, no drivers license, no we do not have insurance. Hello unless that person is bleeding to death, need to have the “going back to mexico” bus pick them up.

    And to some of you who say we are being racist you also say illegals come here to earn money, to work hard and do jobs most of us wont. You are sorely misinformed hunies. MOST of illegals do NOT work. They do NOT have too. They know every single program we have in the USA for them to get money, food, free housing, schooling, free lunches and breakfasts, where to go for free clothing, and if they want to make some illegal money while claiming USA Welfare benefits they can work a non tax paying, under the table for cash job. Like housekeeping, nanny, construction, gardener, a mexican restaurant for tips etc. So they collect the cash for working under the table, and collect the Welfare benefits.
    I know a house, actually owned by illegals in Menifee. Its a house for the railroad, stopping point for mexicans. This house is owned by Mexican illegals, who bought the house with a downpayment of cash, got a loan through a daughter of someone who became a broker to a lender, blah blah.
    I have never seen so many illegals going and coming so much anywhere. They did this railroad openingly at most times. But other days the house would be locked up good and tight. No one in the house worked, especially the two, man and wife who owned it. Most of the women would work out of the house as nannies and housekeepers during the week and come back on weekends.
    I can tell you, most of us cannot afford to have the kind of parties they had every single weekend there. Mexican bands, dancers, or a DJ and dancers, lights, either they cooked or they had them catered every weekend. Bouncers, bartenders, kegs, unbelieveable amount of alcohol and also going out in front yard urinating and throwing trash.
    They would clean up the next day the owners. There would be around 20 people living there at all times. With kids and their dogs. Also these were brand new houses which sold around 550k.

    Again Lovely and any like you, we want ALL ILLEGALS OUT!! IMMEDIATELY. WE ARE NOT BREAKING LAWS, WE WANT TO ENFORCE THEM. OUR GOVERNMENT CANNOT PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH LAWS THEY WANT TO ENFORCE AND TOSS THE OTHERS ASIDE. Also Lovely there is something wrong with any US, AMerican citizen who does not want this country cleaned out and all of our taxes paid into Government funds that help and assist ONLY the American CITIZENS. Your grandparents, your parents, you, your children, your grandchildren are all entitled to these, and soon there will be nothing there that your family has paid into for 100 years or more.

    We want our people taken care of, our sick, addicted, elderly, children, out of work, homeless, on a list of 9 thousand people waitin for low in come housing that illegls get before them because the illegals have 9 children. We want what is due OUR PEOPLE. Illegals need to go and work in their own countries to get things straightened out, that is not our responsiblity anymore. Our soldiers have worked, and died enough to help countries be free. Most of them do not want the help, the rest just dont care, they dont mind living in hovels.
    Our soldiers are working for nothing except to DIE at this point. As one soldier said to an illegal who hit him in his car who did not have a drivers license or insurance, and the cop said there was nothing he could do except write on his report the accident involved a undocumented, no drivers license and no insurance defendant. ” He pulled down his chest to show this huge scar from being shot, and alot of shrapnel damage, and said, I got this for fighting for the USA’s freedom, every other countries freedom, to insure our peoples safety, and still you people get in this country and drive illegally, could kill someone, and me nor this officer can do a darn thing about it. I have to remind myself all the time just what was I fighting for.”

  70. Susie   August 1, 2010 at 9:06 am

    SB I am hoping you are just old and ignorant in your comments. You are very confused.
    First off we have given billions and billions to other countries ever year for 100 years. Especially MEXICO who is owned hook line and sinker by the politicians, the drug cartel and the rich. The people of that country are NOT our responsibility, especially with our own people homeless, hungry, no room in schools, no low in come housing, its all going to illegals etc.
    And you call illegals defenseless??? What planet are you living on? They are smarter then all of us, they have gotten away with the US’s free money from our welfare plans meant for our US Citizens, they have gotten away with free housing, and also working under the table for cash so they dont have to pay taxes to fund the same programs they are all ON. They purposely come to USA pregnant or get pregnant shortly upon getting here, as young as 12 or 13 to insure with their trophy kids that they get to stay in the USA with their babies born here.
    These people are not defenseless, and they are very smart and know our government programs and they know exactly what to do to get on them, and get the most out of them.

    And SB if you think changing your behavior is going to get our Social Security, Disability, Welfare departments back up and running with enough money in them, then you go right ahead huney. Whewww the ignorance of some people about what is going on in this country is beyond my comprehension. I am darn near speechless.

    Showing your ID’s is a requirement of anyone in the USA either a citizen or a legal immigrant with a visa or resident card, it says it right on them. Be prepared to show these to any law enforcement personnel or INS officer. It is required of anyone in this country /Citizen or NOT.

  71. Ray (the real one)   August 1, 2010 at 10:53 am

    lovely: How is it unconsistutional? Because MSNBC, ABC or CBS says so? Let’s go over what you and other who want open borders thinks. According to USC 1308, All registered aliens "must" carry their resident alien card (green card) with them as identification at all times if questioned by the authorities. In most states, citizens "must" carry some sort of identification card if questioned by authorities. Seems constitutional to me. Next, If stopped for an investigation of another offense, law enforcement "can" request and ascertain one’s citizenship. If a citizen is stopped, law enforcement "can" request and ascertain "if" the person has a criminal record. Seems constitutional to me. USC 1328, Entry into the United States illegally is "yes" a civil issue on the first offense, but future offenses it becomes a criminal matter and is subject to criminal procedures. Sounds constitutional to me, no 4th amendment violation there. Don’t you just love when someone opposes the law because he or she is hispanic but tries to hide it. lovely, I have a copy of Manga Cata, Mayflower Compact, Articles of Condeferation, Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution and Amendments and finally the California Constitution. I have these sitting right on my computer deak and read them every day, seems you have not. May I suggest you do instead of looking to the tube for what you do not know.

  72. Ray (the real one)   August 1, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Now….. Getting off responding to nonsense, you know why immigration reform failed, will fail again and why Arizona did what they did? Just have to watch Arizona television and read Arizona newspapers. Just like the protests here in California in 2005, 2006, 2007, and so on, the group always carried the "buzzard falg" which to most Americans especially in a military town is very offensive. Don’t pick our pockets than show us no respect. Today on Arizona’s channel 10 and in the Arizona Starnet it shows photos of the American flag tossed to the ground, walked on and the "buzzard flag" carried proudly. One again illegal aliens break our laws, suck society dry than show this country and it’s people such disrespect that people and governments take matters into their own hands. Illegals believe that they should receive a free lunch than complain about it’s taste and quality. As I always tell those "buzzard flag " toters, you can always go back, remember how it was there, you should be happy here and show a little respect, never happens. Easy concept. Don’t break the law, you won’t be treated like a criminal. Contribute to society, you will be better off. Embrace American ideals and you will be free but for some, they just can’t figure out how the game is played. Our immigration system is "not" broken, just to some and it should be enforced.

  73. angel   August 1, 2010 at 11:34 am

    of the law

  74. angel   August 1, 2010 at 11:37 am

    stop the taxes the tea party is back

  75. hobo_beans   August 1, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Well said SB. Glad to see that not everyone has completely gone insane!


  76. UC STUDENT   August 1, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    RAY COMMENT 56: "Daniel R: Dufdus, I can track you. DSL, varible IP, Cable, Static. Keeps the nonsense to a minimum." Way to go Ray, now you are able to "track" people. And what does it mean to "keep it to a minimum" ? what are you gonna do? track them down and harm those who disagree with you? I am sure you’re not capable of doing such thing. Now, you got me curious to see who you are in reality. Let the magic begin!


    Computer Scientist

  77. UC Student   August 1, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    What a bunch of stupid interviews. Are those the ones in favor of the law? Seems to me that they are very uninformed (just like the rest) about immigration. Yeah, people say illegal immigrants do this and that. Don’t bandwagon with people like RAY and be all negative about illegal immigration. I recommend you to do some deep research regarding immigration and you will come to your own conclusions.

  78. Bob   August 1, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    The first thing we need to do is change the 15th amendment about whoever is born here becomes a citizen. This law is 150 years old and was written because of slavery. Mexican people even use the term "anchor baby" as a joke to Americans knowing we will pay for the hospital, education, and provide jobs…This might have all been okay while it lasted, but we can no longer afford it. It is time to hold Mexico accountable. They have resources to help their own people. But for some reason they prefer to use America as thier ecomonic outlet… Well now that we are in a recession, it may be that we can not afford them to keep coming here. Plus labor jobs are leaving our country so fast, these people may not be able to find work someday.

  79. swen   August 1, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    The Az Law is a step in the right direction. Word for word it does not discriminate against Mexicans only illegals and yes if someone not mexican is discovered they too will be deported. I get tired of all the liberals using the term racist when you don’t agree with them. Is it racist to be tired of having to pay taxes and busing fees because you make just over the poverty line. while the mexican children living next to you gets free bus service (to ride the same bus), free breakfast and lunch while I pack a bag lunch for my daughter. They are more than willing to share the fact that they get free medical and the kids even get social security since they don’t have parents(since the parents don’t legally exist). When it is said and done they have more money than me. The system to them is a joke and they are more than willing to share this fact. But the minute I say that it isn’t fair they call me racist. At the same time we pay this money out they are increasing taxes due to budget shortfalls. I’m not racist I’m just tired of paying for this bs.

  80. 60's hippie wunderkind   August 1, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    This is an interesting portrayal of the Fallbrook community…those that read and write English (guess that narrows it down a bit, eh?)…which leads me to ‘Guest’ comment #50: How can you tell an illegal from a legal person? Can someone explain thanks.
    Clue #1: Are they, or their children, speaking English? ALL of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Mexican, now American citizens, I have known since moving to California in 1966, consider English their primary language. The only time Spanish (‘Mexican’ Spanish) is spoken is (generally) when addressing a very elderly relative, or a visitor from Mexico who does not speak English. The Mexicans that I live amongst in Fallbrook have NO interest in attending ESL classes (that is one FREE thing they are not signing up for!) or even the English words/phrases that I attempt to teach them in the course of a conversation…unlike most people I know who travel abroad…and CERTAINLY those I have known who have MOVED to a non-English country! I have actually been told by a Mexican (illegal) mother to ‘please stop instructing her children to speak in English…they were learning TOO much!’. Which says a lot regarding the excuse still used for illegal entry into this country, i.e. ‘they want a better life for their children’.
    Does ‘a better life’ not include obeying laws of the country in which one has chosen to live? What kind of example does living in a country illegaly set for the children of illegals? Exactly the one which has taken hold across the nation…to get what you want, you do can do whatever it takes to get it…including BREAKING the LAW of the LAND. The problem is (seemingly) simple…the laws are not being enforced – it is a SHAME (or sham?) that a state governor has to write into LAW an EXISTING law in order to enforce it. I may ‘lean to the ‘left’, but we are all (supposedly) EQUAL in this country – apparently adhering to the law is not a equality issue. Take a look at what is required to establish permanant citizenship in Australia, Germany, Japan…any and many other countries in this world. For those who empathize with, or are themselves, living in this country illegally (from Mexico)…

    1. Move back to Mexico. if you voluntarily self-deport, the 3 and 10 year time bars do not apply.

    2. Apply for a for a legal immigration visa at the US Embassy. There are many categories under which you can apply. It helps if you are educated and/or have a valuable skill. Another method is to apply as a legal guest worker, then later adjust to legal resident status.

    3. Wait your turn in line for the visa, just like everyone else in the world does. Some Filipinos wait 22 years for an F4 family immigration visa.

    4. Once you have the visa, move to the US.

    5. After 5 years of living in the US, if you have not committed any crimes or used welfare, you can apply for US Citizenship. But first you have to ask yourself what you feel in your heart, are you an American or a Mexican?

    6. Take and pass the Citizenship test.

    7. Be sworn in as as US Citizen. Be sure to renounce all allegiance to Mexico, and don’t plan on later applying for dual Mexican-US citizenship, otherwise you could lose your US citizenship.

    BY THE WAY…are you CRAZY to define this national ‘problem’ as Obama’s??????? follow this link…

  81. Fallbrookian   August 1, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    SB and hobo_beans: Really? And you seriously believe that the corporations that hire all the employees and provide so many jobs LEGALLY are the bad guys? They pay more in taxes than all of us combined. I own a corporation and pay a HUGE amount in taxes. Do not be so insulting to those of us that are business owners. It is bad enough that we have a President that wants to destroy all of us and we don’t need your misguided ideology on top of it. We struggle to pay our LEGAL employees, struggle to put food on our tables, struggle to figure out how to give raises that are so desperately needed and cannot afford to pay one more dime for welfare programs or to support illegal aliens. Now, we have a choice of providing government run health care that will make us shutter our doors. If that law becomes a reality, I will have to close my business and lay-off over 50 employees. Nice going Obama, way to support the little guy.

    The main problem though that I have is with all the government control and handouts to welfare people. Believe me, I do not mind paying taxes at all to help others, just put limits on the use of my tax dollar. I support the use for all the reasons you listed, however, I do not support raising ANY taxes and screwing over the middle class in the process. I do not support my taxes being used on welfare programs that allow someone to be on them for more than six months. Put a cap on how long someone can be on welfare and how many times during their life. Additionally, I do not support my taxes being used on ANYONE who is illegally in this country. I am sorry that the majority of the illegals are Mexican. I am sorry that will give the appearance of profiling. But honestly, I want them out of our country. We would not have the unemployment problems that we currently have if we sent every illegal back to their home country. That would allow REAL Americans to take those jobs back from them.

    It is time to take our country back. I will do whatever I can to support Arizona and their attempt to take their state back from the blood sucking leeches that are here illegally.

  82. SB   August 1, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Susie: I have news for you. Social Security IS up and running. The idea that it isn’t is a myth. Read:


    Fallbrookian: I don’t think all corporations are the bad guys, and certainly not for employing people. But there are a few huge corporate giants that have lots of influence on your elected representatives – more than you or I do. I’m not saying do away with corporations, I’m saying take the power we used to have that has been handed over to them and give it back to the People. Don’t you want your vote to count, and your opinion to be something your representatives consider over a greedy CEO’s? I know I do.

    The People didn’t invent credit default swaps. The People didn’t pressure Congress to pass the law allowing them. The People – individual voters like you and I – would never have dreamed up such a scheme, or allowed it if we realized what was being done to the American dream of owning a home, that it was being used as a gambling device.

    Don’t believe me about corporate power grabbing. Read for yourself about the history of corporations in the United States:


    You can also read elsewhere about the history of the corporation since Roman times – where it also became corrupt almost as soon as it came into existence.

    When our country started out, part of the reason for the revolution was to get out from under the influences of powerful corporations. Do you think the tea tax was a ploy by illegal immigrants? It was brought about by corporate influences. For that reason the founding fathers were careful to restrain corporate influence. That system of controls has loosened considerable since then.

    You’re absolutely right, it’s time to take our country back.

    We also, most of us, are descended from immigrants to this country. Who gets to decide where that immigration ends? It certainly didn’t end when the Native American began to realize we were pushing them off their lands, killing of their game, forcing them to follow our rules or die. It’s important to keep that in mind. I’m not saying give the country back to them. It’s too late for that. But at least have some respect for the fact that our ancestors were at one time immigrants too, many of them coming here before there were any immigration laws or restrictions at all. Lucky them!

  83. pde   August 1, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    i know alot of people who are illegal and they have to pay taxes but dont get their money back…so why are you guys complaining about taxes

  84. Ray (the real one)   August 2, 2010 at 5:20 am

    UC Student: Need to get your money back, college ain’t working. I posted that because of you children with multiple posts using multiple screen names. This ain’t twitter. Children can ruin anything, snotty nosed brats.

  85. Ray (the real one)   August 2, 2010 at 6:06 am

    UC Student: Deep research on illegal immigration? How about simple math. Family of four, $12.00 an hour, I’m being generous on that figure, rent, gas & electric, transportation, no license, drives anyway, insurance, hardly, cable, Telemundo, Univision, Aztec America reception poor in Fallbrook, clothes, food, phone, maybe, than add remittances to Mexico and Budweiser, I see a negative balance here and there does the extra money come from? you got it, US. I thought people in college were suppose to be smart? oh well. And I have been in computers since before the days of CPM. Remember I was Metzger’s computer programmer for 11 years according to the SPLC, used to be a hacker both computer and telephones too. Degrees get you nowhere with me, anyone can read a book and pass a test, not impressed.

    Bob: It’s the 14th amendment, 15th is about franchises.

    Susie: "Like I believe Ray Said. Well heck I want a new car, and I need some cash, I am going to go and steal me a car, and rob a few banks. That is just as ILLEGAL, and I would be arrested pretty dang fast huh?". Your kidding right? in Fallbrook with the Sheriff, The 50.000 mile warranty would expire on the vehicle before I was caught. and I would retire rich on my new found bank money.

    SB: Immigration laws were created so the country could catch up and the ones accepted to assimilate. Today you have 10 to 20 million brain deads coming across with no other skills that procreation, what will they do? Green jobs? not talking about growing dope. remember your talking about a country where the telegraph is the latest technology. Only so many lawns to mow, so many fields to pick, and their children (many) always room for them in the latest gangs since hispanics and children of illegal aliens rarely attend higher education, women, almost never, they areset aside for multiplication and the cycle continues. I classify illegal aliens (hispanics) like sending your children to a prestegious private school only to find out it’s full of remedial students., looking at the current state of our schools, I’m not far off. In order for these folks to prosper in a country with electricity and running water, a complete cultural change must happen. Out with the "peonic" in with the 21st century where education, respect for laws and society are taught. Where women are not just for breeding but contributes other than opening a beer can. And to remember this country and it’s citizens gratiously gave them a second chance, don’t foul it up, your American’s now.

  86. Ray (the real one)   August 2, 2010 at 6:19 am

    It’s kind of funny. Last week a story was printed here in the FBVN, still on the home page about underage prostitution from Mexico but very few hispanics posted comments to the story? I can tell, wonder why? Because underage sexual relations with children is permitted in their culture and within the culture, that’s why. They would rather carp and whine about a law in Arizona than the health and well being of their children.

  87. Artist   August 2, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Holly Guacamolie!!

  88. Ray (the real one)   August 2, 2010 at 11:12 am

    pde: How are they paying taxes, explain. By using some elses social secutity number? Well that’s fing for the owner of that card who will go through audit after audit trying to explain why he or she didn’t work at twenty taco shops across the country or like me, threatened with tax evasion or did the person use a federal taxpayer identification number? If so, the illegal alien could have filed a return or did he just use all zeros? well the employer should be arrested, the illegal deported and as for the money, tuff luck.

    How do you know he paid taxes anyway? The employer could have created one of those “petty cash accounts” at the bank, ordered business checks on that account, filled in all the information and pocketed the money. See how things work, that is why issues and people who have broken the law are coined a name and it’s illegal.

  89. Ray (the real one)   August 2, 2010 at 11:16 am

    SB: MoveOn.org is a tainted site run by one of the biggest and richest socialist lefties, George Soros. If he gave me change for a dollar, I’d count it. No credibility there. Now we know where you get your news from. I do have a bridge for sale in Manhattan, interested?

  90. fallbrookres   August 2, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Amy: My husband mows our lawn, I clean my house and my parents picked grapes, potatoes and cotton when I was a kid. Oh guess what I’m white american!

  91. Liveoakparker   August 2, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Ray you have to stop your stereotyping. I’m a "hillie" and I AGREE WITH YOU 100%

  92. usmcret   August 2, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Ray the real one! I enjoyed your writing on this subject. Outstanding posts, I did not see anything racist here this time, I believe all the facts you presented were true (unusual for you, I admit) – almost all of what you posted I can agree with. I hope you continue in this vain; writing facts, not hyperbole, providing a well thought out rational for your opinions. Even those that disagree with you, which I don

  93. ELLIE   August 2, 2010 at 3:40 pm


    There is nothing I can add – it’s all been said over several times and YES, I’m for the Arizona law, for getting ALL illegals out and for our government to start enforcing laws!

    And to the ones that are for the illegals: GO FOR IT AND SEE WHERE YOU ARE IN 10, 20 YEARS! OH! and don’t think about having children unless you want them to be in the soup lines or orphanges because you won’t be able to provide for them since you thought it a good idea to give away all our money, freedoms and rights!! Or maybe they can procreate with an illegal or do some kiddie porn which seems to be accepted in their culture. Don’t believe me??? Go to Megan’s Law and pull up Fallbrook – see how many are hispanic and see how many are ‘lewd and lascivious acts against a minor’. Enough said!

    Let’s see, I have to show my drivers license when I want to use a credit card or write a check to a business, I have to show my drivers license when I get on an airplane, I have to show my drivers license when I pick up a product I ordered online at Best Buy, I have to show my drivers license when I go to the E.R. and OMG – I have insurance! – yet I’m still waiting hour upon hour while ‘undocumented persons’ are seen before me! Some even get free taxi rides home – how does that happen??? Especially when your about ready to pop out a kid and don’t speak English?? This honestly happened at my OB/GYN’s office – I WAS LIVID!!!! Yet, it cost me $135 for my ‘annual visit’ WITH INSURANCE!

    My parents came to this country on a visa – worked years to ‘pay it off’, BUT they assimilated, learned the language, paid taxes, never went on welfare, never accepted handouts, renounced their former country and became citizens. Oh yeah, when they became elderly and needed medical assistance – they were denied because they didn’t qualify – go figure!!!



  94. ELLIE   August 2, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Yeah Ray – I’m a ‘hillie’ and AGREE WITH YOU 100% ALSO! So stop it!

  95. Mike Vietnam Vet   August 2, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    A lot of good comments, spoken from the heart, 9,10,15,22,35,36,61,etc and a whole lot of the same old stuff from those of the narrow view. So many here who can’t or don’t want to see anything beyond their own front yard or what is really going on in the world and the real cause of all of the problems we face today.

    Many of you here should read again what SB had to say and also hobo_beans…

    Bob said: The first thing we need to do is change the 15th amendment about whoever is born here becomes a citizen.

    No Bob what we need to do is end corporate personhood rights, go here to reclaim democracy and freedom and the country we were supposed to be …

    And at the same time realize that poverty and what is going on in the world today is not an unfortunate fact of life, it is caused by huge multinational business and banking conglomerates who are disturbing the order of life around the world, causing financial hardships polluting land, water and air, pushing people off their land in third world countries who have resources they covet.

    Much more of your tax dollars are used to subsidize millionaire factory farms than on illegal immigrants.

    Much more of your tax dollars are used to for illegal wars of conquest, in favor of multinational business and banking conglomerates to build their empire, not ours.

  96. Ray (the real one)   August 2, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Here is a story that is repeated thousands of times every day in America. The condensed version is that this "slimeball" illegal alien previously arrested, goes out and get’s drunk and kills someone, this time a Catholic Nun. I’ll bet all he get’s from the church is twenty Hail Mary’s, a few buck in the collection plate and he’s on the fast track to heaven, catholics huh. Now you might understand why Arizona and the rest of the country has said "enough" and have passed or in the process of passing new anti-illegal alien laws. Here is the link just in case you want to read the story, I get tired of reading these types of stories every day, I bacame numb to them.


    Oh just in case someone posts those tired old lines like drunk drivers come in all colors nonsense, I suggest you read the MADD study of a few years ago, might suprise you.

  97. pde   August 2, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    another Hispanic that was born here got attacked by a group of racists today…it aint about whether your legal or not…just like ray says…its in their culture to hate people who are not the same as them

  98. pde   August 2, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    lol… lady gaga announced that she is against the arizona law

  99. BonsallGayGuy   August 3, 2010 at 1:38 am

    to SB, in comment #66 you state the following in the middle of a debate about SB1070:

    "That’s something I was taught in school that Iron Curtain countries did, an atrocity against freedom, and something the SS did, while insisting Jews wore arm patches.) Maybe not all people for the Arizona law are racists, but the racists are encouraged by this. The situation is worsening, and not getting better because of this law."

    Huh? You find similarities between the run up to the deliberate murder of millions of people in Stalinist Russia or the Nazi inspired holocaust in some way germane to a discussion of the merits of SB1070?? Your almost hysterical use of hyperbole is frankly astounding. Please, GET A GRIP!

  100. Ray (the real one)   August 3, 2010 at 8:13 am

    BonsallGayGuy: The open borders bundists will try anything, use any example in trying to justify their lawlessness, even to go as far as the gulags and the holocaust, but in reality people see right through the nonsense. If we were to employ the tactics as the bolschivics and the nazi’s, there would be no immigration problem, most would be in camps or afraid to make the attempt not running all over the country, without any fear of apprehension by any authority. Seems the only arm patches being worn are from the illegal aliens in the form of Che, la raza, aztlan and buzzard flag tee shirts but the nonsense that bothers me the most is the "baby waving" trying to gain support by using the children, an all time low even for them. So you have to understand that these folks don’t care about this country, they only want to whore here, drink here and in some cases kill here but being an American is the farthest thing from their minds. So when people give you those old and tired lines like "better life" or "who will pick your veggies" or the most famous of all "jobs Americans will not do" look these liars right in the eye and laugh loudly, than call ICE.

    To the open borders bundists: What did Hitler and Stalin do to people who entered their country illegally? Considered them spies and………….. well let’s not be too graphic.

  101. Ray (the real one)   August 3, 2010 at 11:12 am

    pde: Who cares about GaGa, Herpies that walks. The attack you are referring to is on the east cost (Jersey) I believe and if you read the story, it’s unclear who the attackers are. Could be their own, gangs. Next time come armed to the fight.

    Still have not learned yet, you libbies diluted the word "racist" it’s meaningless, does not bother me anymore. MSNBC again?

  102. Marcy   August 3, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    All you need are pointed white sheets and you’d be in company of others like yourself who are prejudice and attacking the marginalized and the poor with your holier than thou attitudes. Ask yourself this question. If you weren’t able to feed your children, would you swim a river with those kids on your back and come looking for the promised land and a future? How many of your ancestors are Native American? You are a bunch of hypocrites with enough money to buy sparkling red, white and blue hats instead of supporting people in need. Shame on you! Are you aware that Jesus was an illegal immigrant? That’s right. He and his family had to flee to a foreign country for safety. How do you think he is going to deal with people who hate the foreigner? Another question… would you stoop to do the work that is expected from the immigrant? Would you go to TJ for your surgery? Then quit pointing the finger at those who are desperate for help and a better future.

  103. Ray (the real one)   August 3, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Marcy: Yadda… Yadda… Yadda… Same old tired lines repeated time and time again.

  104. Ray (the real one)   August 3, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    When is the "open border bundists" going to come up with new material? The "comedy club" is over.

  105. comedyray   August 3, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Ray is what is wrong with the country people like him get to vote!!!!

  106. The Real Truth   August 3, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    There is 1 true American and they are Indian!
    Immigrants are everyone else The whites almost wiped out the true american then the blacks now the browns???? who’s next can you see a pattern!!!!

  107. justwondering   August 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Still,those against the law please answer this:
    Why do you OPPOSE showing ID when STOPPED by the law?

  108. pala1   August 3, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Just wondering, Why have an ID? Why does anyone need to know who you are, unless you want them to know. The minority has rights, the majority might try to take those rights but will it ever be done? Just wondering, why do you think the white man is here? and your talking law, lmao

  109. This Is Our Town   August 3, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    It’s funny to me how everyone is getting all worked over this issue. When it’s all said and done my people will prevail. Over the border, under the border, around the border, and through the border we will come out on top. Remember this our town now we make the wheels go round in Fallbrook and if you dont like it get out.

  110. BonsallGayGuy   August 3, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    To Real Truth, in comment #106 you state the following "There is 1 true American and they are Indians! Immigrants are everyone else .."

    Actually most researchers on the topic have concluded that so called Indians did not originate in North America but in fact are the descendants of people who migrated here. So your point is what?

    To Marcy, in comment #102, what is your point? I simply don’t understand your argument. If you’re so concerned about the Roman Empire’s supposed discriminatory immigration policies please contact their nearest embassy with a protest letter. I however am an American citizen living in the 21st century and expect my government to represent the interests of myself and my fellow American citizens. And I do not believe those interests are best served in a time of record breaking unemployment and international terrorism by having our federal government turning a blind eye or worse trying to stop one of our states from enforcing the law.

    I know it’s heartbreaking the levels of poverty suffered by literally billions of people around the globe but I do not believe that the mass importation of poverty into our country is the solution. We have immigration laws for a rational purpose because most rational people in this country conclude that not everyone on the planet who wishes to live in our country can be realistically accommodated here. And as distasteful as it is to some people, laws have to be enforced if they are to have any effect.

    Please people just be intellectually honest. If you feel that immigration laws shouldn’t be enforced please just come out and say it. Or if your premise is that there should be open immigration to this county just state it and we can have a real discussion on the merits of those ideas. But please stop with the nonsense about Jesus, death camps, the KKK and the race card.

  111. Ray (the real one)   August 3, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    comedyray: You should be lucky people like me do vote. If we left it up to people like you, just imagine what this country would look like, boggles the imagination.

  112. Ray (the real one)   August 3, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    The Real Truth: Actually Indians are not true Americans, just peoples native to the land. We coined the name of America thus it applied to the natives "american Indian, the firts the hyphenated person was introduced and it contunues. If your going to write something be accurate about it, but I did see the slant. Via Condios Paco.

  113. Squeeky:   August 3, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    @Marcy: It’s called survival of the fittest. First history shows the Settlers and the Indians lived peacefully for quite sometime.

    Even if the big white man is so bad, one must remember the red man also conquered other tribes. Again, it’s called survival of the fittest. Next, NO Man does lives in peace 100% of the time. Additionally, man, regardless of ethnicity, longs for more than his due. It is his nature.

    @Justwondering, I agree. If one has to carry proof of registration and insurance in the car and then has to produce it when stopped, then why shouldn’t identification be the same way?

    @Mr. Ray (the real one): What do you think about a national ID card? I vary on the idea for many reasons listed above ~ Hilter comes to mind. On the other hand, it would be an easy fix.

    @Pala1: The world is full of conquerors. Is Charlemagne wrong for conquering the lands he did? What about Hannibal? Alexander the Great? The point is, regardless of how it came about, the US is the US and one must follow the laws we have now!

  114. ELLIE   August 3, 2010 at 11:55 pm


    You ‘PREACH’ yet you ‘JUDGE’ and ‘CONDEMN’ others for voicing their opinion! Who’s pointing the finger here? Talk about hypocrite! So what I hear you saying is that we should give MORE to those ‘less fortunate’ and should welcome them with open arms – is that correct? Are we not taxed enough to supplement the ‘freebie’ programs the illegals take advantage of and not leave enough for the LEGAL people that truly need the benefits?? Obviously you are one of the ‘liberals’ that thinks we should ‘spread the wealth’! Well missy, let me tell you, I WILL NOT GIVE ANYONE MY HARD EARNED MONEY WHEN I LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION – I DO MY OWN HOUSEWORK, CLEAN MY OWN TOILETS, MOW MY OWN GRASS, PICK MY OWN FRUIT, DRIVE CARS THAT ARE 10 & 12 YEARS OLD – NOT NEW PICKUP TRUCKS LIKE ALOT OF THE ILLEGALS!

    And as far as Jesus being an illegal – get REAL!!! THAT WAS 2,000 YEARS AGO AND NOT THE U.S.! I am sure when I go to meet Jesus, he will see that I have worked hard all my life to provide for my family, I educated myself, I did not take handouts, I pulled myself up by the bootstraps when I was down and out and in poverty and MADE SOMETHING OF MYSELF but NOT FROM HANDOUTS, LYING, CHEATING AND STEALING!!! HOW DARE YOU BE SO JUDGEMENTAL AND THEN CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN – SHAME ON YOU!!!

    These people are not the only ones to have surgeries in TJ – I know several people who go there for medical and dental BECAUSE IT’S CHEAPER!!!!

    Yes, I DO understand what it’s like to want a better life for my kids – and yes, I WORKED 2 and 3 jobs at a time to provide for them AND WENT TO COLLEGE IN MY 30’s – so don’t hand me that nonsense!


    HERE’S A QUESTION FOR YOU; How many illegals have you opened your home to and paid for their upkeep? HMMMMM??????

  115. Ray (the real one)   August 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Squeeky: On a national identification card, I break with most conservatives and think it’s a good idea, I would go for it but it would have to be strictly regulated for one and two, not availible to border hoppers. Seems everytime we do something, they whine. A drivers license used to be enough, but boo hoo, we want one too, so you have to go to the next step, a national card for everything. I think it should carry your basic vitals and drivers information, nothing more but usually when government tries to implement something, it’s usually a power grab. If someone besides the "demmies" come up with a plan, I’d go fo it.

  116. Ray (the real one)   August 4, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    This Is Our Town: When I reconquistas like you a word comes to mind, moron. You have has Mexico for centuries, can’t drink the water, toilets don’t flush and your kids have six toes on each foot, what do you think would happen if "we" gave you California? In thirty years, it would look exactly like some ghetto in Mexioo. Think out of the box if you can. Don’t wait for someone to tell you how.

  117. Ray (the real one)   August 4, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Since the story about child prostitution has moved on to the archives, I thought I would post this little story here. I have been saying for two, three, five, seven years, "it’s the culture" and all I got was "turse" comments from the "kum bah yah couwd" having my family tree since the crusades questioned, Receiving every name the "libbies" and the "open borders bundists" could possibly call me but nobody has ever said "I was wrong". The culture of gangs, drugs, underage sex, alcoholism, lack of intelligence, lack of improvement and overall nothingness comes with illegal immigration. Here is a story that reaffirms everything I said in the last decade, finally someone in the press has the "cajones" to do a story in it.

    Open borders bundists and libbies, get ready to cry.


  118. Ray (the real one)   August 4, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Here yet another story not covered by the Obama Media. Maybe after actually reading some papers and turning off your MSNBC, you might understand they dynamics of what Arizona is trying to do and why twenty other states are considering the same law. You think our "chicken pickin" president will do anything about it?


  119. Ray (the real one)   August 4, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    My suggestion to the people of Fallbrook. Buy more guns and ammunition. Don’t rely on Lt. Bilko and his comedy of brown shirts. If it moves, shoot it.

  120. This Is Our Town   August 4, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Look around Ray, the time is coming and when it does I’ll be at the frontline. Thats the difference between you and me, you say when and where and I’ll be there. I dont need to hide behind a keyboard. I understand your fear, just like Metzger got run out of town I’m gonna run you out from where ever you are. Say when and where.

  121. USMCRET   August 4, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Marcy – the Indians did not have an immigration policy. Look what happened to them. If we act as the Indians did, we too will be without our culture, a minority in our land, our language meaningless and spoken by few; living on "white reservations". I bet they won’t even allow us to have cassions.

  122. Ray (the real one)   August 4, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    GEEZ…. When are these children going back to school?

  123. momz   August 5, 2010 at 10:31 am

    WOW " This is our town" did the "Real Ray" hit a nerve? Freedom of Speech, I feel that "Ray" has some interesting facts, I might not agree with all his comments, but some of the links that "Ray" has posted are mind openers.

  124. mike and lizard   August 6, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Nancy and Jack we support you in your Freedom of Speech love you guys from your sister lizard and mike from arizona

  125. Big turn out a!   August 6, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    There was about 10 people out there when I drove by this. Didn’t look very big to me!

  126. mike and lizard   August 6, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    In AZ, what come across the fence are not good people, at time they bring bad thing here having hurt their own people, their for hope good thing in Az, but left in desert by bad people or bring thing, to harm us, like drugs, to harm our own childern.
    We see the good in the future if go back to their land, with their what they learn Az. in our school make their land our next state. Maybe we can go to their state with equal right and No drug lord in their land that hurt own people. Native people in their country will be treated with equal right and not slave by their employer. we support Jack and nancy in their support arizona, we love them, they see good things in people. But there are things to work out in the this bill, too. If you seen me working on jack yard way back I am us citizen and did it out of love for them from az. mike

  127. CRACKER   August 11, 2010 at 2:17 pm



  128. sal   October 3, 2010 at 11:12 am

    vote for a new law to run all the racists out of the country. That I’ll be behind 100%. Go somewhere else and spew your venom, if anyone will have you.

  129. prieta, in answer to susie #6   March 6, 2011 at 2:58 am

    It is always easy to tell someone else what to do or say, as is the case with the president. people can say that he is one of the worse.however, no one seems to take notice of the fact that when he took over the nation was at its lowest point. too many before him had driven the economy down, by spending money elsewere, and not at home.. likewise with the wall between the us and mexican border. i am sure that a wall may go up. however they always come down (point in case…the berling wall). when it came down it came down with a boom!!! also remember that it was also the blood of "pass illegals" that help make this nation what it is today. and by illegals i not only mean hispanics!if the government did managed to take all "illegals" out i very much doubt that "true americans" would take up all the jobs that would be left hanging. you should try one before you deside that you do not need illegals!

  130. READ UP RAY   July 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    California Civil Code Section 1940.3
    When do landlords become the regulators.READ UP RAY

  131. local   September 1, 2011 at 3:57 am

    Ok and this just makes me want to inspire all the natural born citizens that are not voting. To vote did you people forget you guys are over populated by Hispanics across the u.s common now our president is black. We chose it like it or not.

  132. Preston   March 31, 2012 at 9:25 am

    We traded "law and order" past generations worked so hard to establish for khaos. When we stop pointing the finger at government, get off the apathy train and work together intelligently for a better future we might have a chance. As it is now, the majority complain about the mess we have created and then turn around and vote like imbeciles, or even worse don’t vote. This is not a race issue it is a choice we must make if we want to survive an out of control population, another issue we can’t seem to be able to zip up on.

  133. Denis   June 4, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Most of the comments are racist what have the illegal

  134. Lee   December 6, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    And who is picking your avocados? And who is mowing your lawns? And who is babysitting your kids? And who is picking the fruit and veggies you eat?

    Tea baggers, I’ll give you a hint: it ain’t yo lazy rear ends!

    And you don’t mind living in a city with a Hispanic name, San Diego? And you don’t mind living in a state with a Hispanic name? And you don’t mind munching on chips and salsa? And you don’t mind eating breakfast burritos? And on and on the examples go.

    Tea baggers, sit yo sorry rear ends down, you hypocrites!

    PS. And where were you during W’s years in office? Please, sit yo sorry rear ends down! Everybody is laughing at you!

  135. Lee   December 6, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Tea baggers, 25 years ago, Cowboy Ronnie demanded from Gorbachov to "Tear Down this wall!" in Berlin . . . and you want to build a wall today? Please, the whole world is laughing at you. What don’t you understand about the fact that isolationism simply does not work and is an outdated paradigm? What don’t you understand about that? What don’t you understand that our country has lived through the Civil Rights movement and, unlike you, has moved on? What don’t you understand about that? Do you not think it hypocritical to clutch to your little black book with a cross on it on Sunday mornings believing that all God’s children are equal and to love thy neighbor and all that good stuff, yet the next day . . . you protest against your neighbor? Please, sit down, you hypocrites!

    On a very practical level, the state of Alabama tried your reforms a couple of years or so ago and quickly came to the conclusion — revelation is more like it — that all those folks who do this low-paying work left the country . . . and nobody, i.e., lazy white folks, didn’t want to do this work. So Alabama quickly reversed many of those provisions to lure those hard-working folks back.

    So, sit yo sorry rear ends down, you chuckle heads! If you’re still heck-bent on your ideals, why don’t you move to Indiana and shack up with our former tenant, Metzger? He’ll welcome you with open arms, I’m sure.

  136. Guest   December 26, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Why is it that when people talk about immigration and illegal persons they only talk about Mexicans and the Mexican-US border??? To all of those people…you are just idiots really. Currently the western border (pacific shoreline) is being over run by illegal people entering the US, you find from middle eastern to Asians arriving in pangas and beaching them in the middle of the night, under the cover of darkness to elude immigration authorities. Also you have a lot of Europeans trying to enter illegally from Canada….but yet all you think about is the south border…

  137. the man   January 19, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    While illegals work on that wall you and the governor of a z are going to pick our veggies rigj? And, you diana don’t forget where you came from.


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