Meeting addresses Pala motocross track noise

A meeting was held April 27 at the Pala tribal office to address the issue of noise from the motocross track that can be heard by nearby Rainbow residents.

The meeting had 54 attendees and included speakers from the tribe.

“I thought it was an interesting attempt to at least offer up some dialogue,” said Rainbow Community Planning Group chair Paul Georgantas.

The Pala motocross track is on tribal trust land which had previously been used as a gravel quarry. It is 2,440 feet from the nearest property line. Because initial studies indicated that noise was not heard at the casino or at the reservation boundaries, no stipulations about noise were included in the lease contract with the motocross interests.

“We didn’t think it was going to be an issue,” said Pala tribal spokesman Doug Elmets. “We need to address that.”

Georgantas lives in Rice Canyon, approximately 4 1/2 miles from the track by straight line. “I can hear a pretty good roar here,” he said. “The weekends are particularly bad.”

Georgantas notes that Rainbow’s topography often augments the noise. “They’ve done some things to mitigate the sound at street level,” he said. “They didn’t count on the fact that you can hear it very, very loudly three miles away.”

Georgantas has heard comments from other Rainbow residents that the noise approaches 90 decibels at their property lines. “My sense is that the physical aspects of that valley are going to be hard to attenuate that noise,” he said.

A consultant at the meeting spoke of atmospheric factors which can affect noise. While tribal representatives gave a presentation which explained some details about the tribe, the focus was on efforts to deal with noise. “We’ve commissioned a study, a noise study,” Elmets said.

The study will include atmospheric issues such as temperature, inversion layers, and wind direction as well as noise measurements in Rainbow. Elmets expects that study to take place during the fourth quarter of 2010. Tribal representatives plan to hold another community meeting about the study and possible mitigation methods.

The study will also review other impacts. “We’re going to be looking at air pollution issues,” Elmets said.

The tribe’s environmental staff has been monitoring emissions, and the track currently meets Federal and state particulate matter standards. “We want to make sure that’s included on an ongoing basis as well,” Elmets said.

“They made an attempt,” Georgantas said. “As a tribe they certainly are intent on separating the tribe from their lessee.”

Elmets notes that the motocross track benefits nearby communities as well as the tribe’s revenues from the lease. “It does bring in more tourism to the area,” he said. “We look at it more as an opportunity.”

Elmets and the tribe hope, however, that the track can also be enjoyed by the neighbors rather than loathed. “We are sensitive to the concerns of the neighbors, and that’s the reason we have been meeting with them regularly and it’s the reason we are conducting the noise study,” he said.

“We’re working very closely with the lessee,” Elmets said. “Members of the tribe live in the community as well, work in the community as well.”

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29 Responses to "Meeting addresses Pala motocross track noise"

  1. observant   June 3, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    It seems about the only thing they could do is plant trees around the track perimeter or require different mufflers on the bikes. Neither of which will quiet things down much.

  2. Ray (the real one)   June 3, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    NIMBY ALERT. Pala, mount fifty cellular towers, let’s see what happens. IT’S FEDERAL LAND FOLKS, they basically can do what they please. Wanna complain, call the crack house and talk to the head dealer, Badda Bing.

  3. Rainbow resident   June 4, 2010 at 10:59 am

    We appreciate the Tribe

  4. Randall   June 5, 2010 at 7:46 am

    Approximately 3 weeks ago the Tribes Environmental representative contacted me and asks permission to install sound monitoring equipment at our home, in Pala, overlooking the track and Rainbow. The sound consultant and Environmental representative took some sound measurements on Saturday afternoon. Although on paper our home site appears to be a great location for measurements, the topography and costal winds make it otherwise. We actually receive more noise from the freeway, Hwy 76, and Camp Pendleton. I was pleased that Pala was actively looking for sound measurement sites and took measurements from our location. I am happy to read that they have found a better location in Rainbow and are now recording sound levels. Regards, Randall

  5. lindab   June 5, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Taking care of the land and environment ahhhh how they can BS.

  6. Tim   June 5, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    I dont see the problem just close your windows and doors and stop complaining!

  7. rider   June 11, 2010 at 11:34 am

    i see how in morning hours the noise would travel a good distance. once the the wind starts to blow the noise levels most likely drops in effected areas. I’m sure, that it is a combination of both hwy76 and track. If you punish the dirt bikers, make it fair and punish street bikes as well. I’ve heard a pack of harley’s roll by and blow my ears out, but never a dirt bike. Next you’ll complain about 76 noise after expansion.

  8. Tim Buck   June 20, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I’m sure glad I grew up in Riverside and did a lot of riding in the surrounding areas. I’m also glad I’m not there to hear the whining of bored yuppies that have nothing better to do than complain about things that were going on before they ever set foot in the area.

  9. throttlejunkie   June 20, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I was up at a freinds house yesterday. In pala rainbow canyon to check out noise in the moring. barely heard it. More sound from the highway than anything else. Plus the firing range. It barely read 40 dbs on my meter. Just wait people with the new highway going throught. It will be the new place to buy and sale realestate. Only real noise i hear was all the streets bikes going down the highway with no mufflers. Way louder than and mx bike.

  10. Chris   June 21, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Come on people! What else is there to do in this community..give the kids a break!

  11. Goretta   June 25, 2010 at 10:19 am

    You heard mowers in the city, and sirens, and now you want to stomp on the kids’ fun? close your windows and hush you party poopers!

  12. happy mom   June 28, 2010 at 5:05 am

    The kids finally have SOMETHING to do, no drugs, no hanging out, no idle time, and because a few people might hear some noise, sometimes, is ridiculous. Finally it’s something you can brag to your friends about and the fact it’s only minutes away instead of hours. Thank you Pala for building it…. we will keep coming.

  13. fallbrook resident   June 28, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    yeah happy mom -just as long as your kids are happy who cares about anyone else’s enjoyment of their own property. what a wonderful woman and a great example for her children.

  14. moto man   July 2, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Save the world and our riding area.Get the environmental staff out of California.Then we will be good to go.All they want is money.I’v been riding in corona hills for 20 years.All of a sudden they own the hills and i got a ticket.When the land was given to them to shut up and stop crying.Everywhere there is riding they seem to show up and start giving us a hard time.Get a life green hugers and go home.

  15. not needed   July 7, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    I hear planes overhead too, maybe we can shut down the military, my neighbor’s kids laugh too loud, maybe we can ship them away, The birds are too loud, so we should cut down the trees around my house too, I hear dirtbikes, we should shut them down.

  16. Cindy   July 8, 2010 at 8:35 am

    The tribe can do whatever they want. At least they are trying to work with these whiners. Did they mention that the track is closed on Monday and Tuesday? Of course not. I bet the lawn mowers, the Harleys, the planes, the leaf blowers and such are all too loud also. They are not riding at night for heaven’s sake.

  17. Two Stroker   July 8, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Of course, back in the days of two stroke engines you hardly had this problem.

  18. billybob   July 8, 2010 at 8:36 am

    why dont you tree huggers find some tree to save or go help your own community and start planting trees that you can mate with in a couple of years

  19. Canyon man   July 8, 2010 at 8:36 am

    ok, stop with all the emotion and get to a solution. i THINK THE IDEA OF PLANTING TREES TO HELP DAMPENING THE SOUND IS THE WAY TO GO. Check with the riders and i think they would be willing to have an added charge of $.50 -$100 to their entry fee to help purchase and pay to keep the area green and quite. If it meant keeping the track open.

  20. Whinners Suck   July 8, 2010 at 8:36 am

    fallbrook Resident – Becasue you can hear a slight humm off in the distance you can not enjoy your property? – give me a break. We need more outdoor activities for our children and adults. MX is a great family activity that the family can do together for ever.

  21. mx317   July 8, 2010 at 8:36 am

    I’ve got to the point that everytime I read something like this I want to throw up! Our freedoms are getting less and less with all the whiners in our world. Their solution is if they don’t like something, shut it down. The ones that REALLY bother me are the ones that buy next to an existing track and then sue because they don’t like it there. Why did you buy there fool?

  22. Dear Happy Mom   July 8, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Dear Happy Mom,

    Glad that you have such a shallow mind and all you can think of is yourself because now your kid has someplace to ride. It’s more than kids that ride there, but that’s not the point.

    How about actually having some empathy and genuine concern for local residents and try to be part of the solution, not contribute to adding fuel to the fire because it’s easy for you to eat cake and sit behind a computer and show us your inability to comprehend this issue. It DOES deserves more attention than you are willing to give. Perhaps we can move the track to your neighborhood since it’s such a good idea for keeping your kid off the street.

    As a rider, I think it’s great that we have a local riding spot, but as an ADULT and one that cares for others, I would suggest that you consider others before spitting cake on your computer screen. We all know that you are eating cake, BTW.

    Wake up lady and show us your worthy of actually raising a child and take some responsibility or better yet, get off your butt and attend a meeting with these people so you can tell them how you could care less about any noise as long as your kid has a place to ride now.

    Hate to break it to you, but there are quite a few tracks in the surrounding area that have been around for some time before Pala came along. I’m sure the local residents wouldn’t mind if your son attends one of these fine tracks.

  23. N County   July 8, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Canyon man makes a good point but he could also plant trees on his poroperty so he cannot hear anything. For that matter, they could all complain about the road noise from cars, trucks etc and want the state to plant trees lining all roads. Unfortunately these people are going to have to realize development and growth happens resulting in more noise. They might want to pick bigger battles like when the canyon they live in becomes a mini mall in ten years.

  24. whocares   July 8, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Everyone wants to plant trees!!! Sounds great guess what Trees need Water!!! Good luck with that.

  25. motogeezer   July 8, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    I’ve been in to motocross and trail riding for many, many years, and I’ve seen many world class racing venues and open riding areas shut down in Southern California over the years.

    Most due to urban sprawl.

    To have a track closed due to noise is completely the fault of the riders.

    There is no reason for bikes to be as loud as they are these days, other than our ultra-macho flat-biller friends putting wide open, after market exhausts on their bikes to make them more “sikk”.

    Ninety percent of these guys aren’t using all the power that their bike has stock, so the minimal gains of an after market exhaust are completely moot.

    There was a track at the Pomona Fair Grounds that made you push your bike to a sound testing area, and start it up.

    If your bike exceeded the allowable dB limit, you pushed it right back to your truck.

    A lot of people didn’t like it, but tough.

    We, as riders, need to respect the fact that not everyone is an enthusiast of our chosen sport, and make an attempt to be as unobtrusive on others as possible if we want to continue enjoying our favorite pass-time.

    It’s time to pipe down (pun intended), and do the right thing.

  26. 2 real   July 9, 2010 at 5:55 am

    I say,LETS MOTO!!!!!!!!!

  27. moto262   July 9, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Guess I need to go down to my local government and register a complaint about my neighbors lawn activities! Mowers at 7am weedeaters at 7:30 come on how in the world do they expect my family to enjoy their weekend or get the proper amount of rest.
    If you buy a house you need to check out the area before you close the deal!! Enough said let the track work on helping and maybe the residents should too. Typical response is shut it down

  28. The Rock   July 9, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    There are a lot of off road and motocross enthusiasts that "get it" and we support lowering sound levels in order to be good neighbors and keep our sport growing.

    For more information please take a look at

    Thank you.

  29. oldschoolmxr   July 10, 2010 at 12:35 pm



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