UPDATE: Medical Examiner says babies found dead, abandoned were twin sisters

(UPDATE, Mon. Jan. 5)

The San Diego County Medical Examiner (ME) has reported that the two fetuses found dead and abandoned in Fallbrook on Fri., Jan. 2 were “newborn” twin sisters.

According to the ME, the “infant” girls were attached to the same placenta and wrapped in a towel when they were discovered in the driveway of a residence across the street from St. Peter’s Catholic Church in Fallbrook about 1:41 p.m. that day.

The ME said the deaths were confirmed at the scene “due to the lividity changes to the bodies.”

The Sheriff’s Dept. is handling the investigation into this case and seeking the identity of the babies’ mother.

UPDATE: Authorities confirm two fetuses found dead, abandoned in driveway of residence near St. Peter’s Catholic Church

Debbie Ramsey

Managing Editor

Authorities have confirmed that two fetuses were found dead and abandoned in the driveway of a home on the north side of St. Peter’s Catholic Church in Fallbrook on Friday, Jan. 2.

According to Sheriff’s Homicide Lt. John Maryon, “On January 2, at about 1:41 p.m. a blanket was located along the side of the roadway in the 1700 block of Saint Peters Drive in Fallbrook. When the reporting party looked under the blanket they discovered what appeared to be two full-term fetuses.”

“The reporting party then called the fire department and the Sheriff’s Department for assistance,” he continued. “When the fire department arrived, they confirmed the fetuses were deceased. Deputies then requested detectives from the Homicide Detail to respond and handle the investigation.”

Maryon said, “Detectives noticed the fetuses were actually fully-developed and were at least 20 weeks old or older. Each fetus had its own umbilical cord, which were both still attached to one placenta.”

The cause and manner of death will be determined by the San Diego Medical Examiner’s Office, Maryon stated.

“We are asking for the public’s assistance to help us identify the mother of the children,” he said. “This would be someone who was recently pregnant and is no longer pregnant and does not have their babies to show after their birth.”

Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call the Homicide Detail at (858) 974-2321 or after hours at (858) 565-5200. It is possible to remain anonymous and be eligible for up to a $1,000 reward for information leading to an arrest. Call Crime Stoppers at (888) 580-8477.

As authorities provide more information on this case, this story will be updated.

(previous, early story)

BREAKING NEWS: Fetuses found dead, abandoned in driveway of residence just north of St. Peter’s Catholic Church.

Debbie Ramsey

Managing Editor

***Information contained in this story is early and fragmentary. Specific information from the Sheriff’s Homicide Detail is expected to be provided in the next few hours.***

Sheriff’s Homicide responded to a call regarding the discovery of reportedly two fetuses who were found dead in the driveway of a home located on St. Peter’s Way, just north of St. Peter’s Catholic Church in Fallbrook.

Emergency responders were called to the scene at approximately 2 p.m. today, Fri., January 2, after the discovery was made.

A witness near the scene said the fetuses appeared to still be connected to a placenta.

Sheriff’s deputies have secured the scene and travel is closed to roadways in the immediate area until the investigation is completed.

No further information is available at this time.

Initially it was reported that one fetus was found, that has been altered to two at this time.

53 Responses to "UPDATE: Medical Examiner says babies found dead, abandoned were twin sisters"

  1. heart broken   January 2, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    This is so sad. There is no excuse for this at all. There are laws in place these days if u dont want to keep it baby. And for the family who found this baby my heart goes out to them. The person who did this should be punished to the fullest.

  2. FED UP   January 2, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    How sad….do these people not know that a baby may be taken to any hospital, police station, fire station….ANYWHERE official? Someone would have wanted that baby……………

  3. Justice   January 2, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    Local hospitals had better be on the lookout for a woman who looks like she had just given birth, maybe claiming to have had a miscarriage or something. Then they need to do a DNA test on the baby, and cross check it with the blood banks at the local hospitals and clinics. this should not go without justice!

  4. Fallbrook Fan   January 2, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    Sad…Out there is a scared little girl that didn’t know where to go or what to do…and now we lost two beautiful little babies!!

  5. lady   January 2, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    so sad! channel 10 just said it was 2 babies. What is wrong with people???

  6. kma   January 2, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    Keep preaching abstinence and shunning sex ed…

  7. Fed Up   January 2, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    @kma…I’m assuming that you are speaking facetiously?…Because we do know that ignorance is not the answer, ignorance is what leads a young woman to do this….

  8. Common Sense   January 2, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    The article claims that fetuses were found, around 20 weeks old. This means the baby was not fully developed. Obviously something went wrong during birth, miscarriage and the mother was afraid. I agree there is no excuse for the ignorance in abandoning these fetuses choosing not to seek help, but unfortunately these 5 month old fetuses had not even fully developed lungs, leaving no chance for survival.

  9. Joss   January 2, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Whoever the mother is, I hope she is ok

  10. hurt   January 3, 2015 at 12:33 am

    I’m sure they will find out who did this. This female had to live close by. Fallbrook is a small town and I’m sure someone will turn her in.

  11. WR   January 3, 2015 at 1:30 am

    This was probably a miscarriage and some mom was too devastated to do anything else. Have compassion until we know for sure what happened.

  12. heart broken   January 3, 2015 at 2:25 am

    @hurt compassion??? Why? This young girl or woman didnt care enough about her babies why should we have compassion for her? The reports are conflicting. One saying they are almost full term and one saying over 20 weeks. Lets say it was a miscarriage. Sadly they happen. So bury the baby or babies. Go to the dr and make sure as a mother u are ok. But wrapping them in a blanket and dumping them in someone elses yard like a pile of trash is not ok. So regardless if this was a miscarriage the mother should be fully punished!

  13. Rick   January 3, 2015 at 6:49 am

    Sex Ed does more to promote having sex than not having sex.
    The babies are in heaven, but please pray for them, the mother, the father, and that the investigation finds out what really happened.
    Others can learn from this, and I pray they do.

  14. Fed Up   January 3, 2015 at 7:49 am

    My mistake….fetuses….and I was thinking BABY, one.

  15. Unforgiving   January 3, 2015 at 9:52 am

    Even dogs are treated better. For them, mother and father is too good a word. Dumping the dead bodies in front of a church is an insult to God.

  16. Joss   January 3, 2015 at 10:17 am

    I think the reports are conflicting because the news has confused "fully developed" with "full term". This is my neighbor’s house. I can assure you they could not have been full term, even by twin standards. They were developed enough to be mistaken for dolls, but very very small. I agree with those speculating that a woman had a miscarriage, wrapped them in a blanket and left them where they’d be found because she was overwhelmed or didn’t know what else to do. I also agree that knowing so little, it’s far better to err on the side of compassion than break out the torches and pitchforks.

  17. Joss   January 3, 2015 at 11:13 am

    Or at least that’s what I’m telling myself. Because otherwise it is much too hard to bear.

  18. kris   January 3, 2015 at 11:16 am

    Another scenario might be that the mother was uninsured, had no transportation and no family to help her. With the closing of fallbrook hospital and emergency room, there is no facility in town accepting uninsured, the nearest ER is 10 to 15 miles away. Could she have called 911, be transported to a hospital for help? Fallbrook needs an ER facility. Not just urgent care , where you are only treated if you have insurance

  19. Ray (the real one)   January 3, 2015 at 11:23 am

    I thought abortion was a sin. Saint Peters, hmmmm.

  20. AR   January 3, 2015 at 11:26 am

    Well said, Joss! Glad there are people like you!

  21. FED UP   January 3, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    I’m sorry, but I think one of the problems going on with the hospitals is having to accept patients who have no insurance and cannot pay…..if there are churches who want to offer free hospital services, that would be one thing….but for hospitals to take the loss? No, they’re going to pass it on to the rest of us who can pay and that’s part of why medical care is so expensive. If it’s a business they cannot give things away, so the cost will be passed on to those who will pay…..bottom line….

  22. WR   January 3, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    Just because the babies appear to be full-term doesn’t mean they were not still births. People are so quick to jump to the worst possible scenario.

  23. Rick   January 3, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    Ray the real one,
    Deliberate abortion is a sin.
    Aborting due to unforeseen and/or unexpected reasons without an intent isn’t a sin but rather a terrible accident. It’s called a miscarriage.
    St. Peters bears no responsibility for this. Your implication that St. Peters does is a sin.
    Get and stay in the truth.

  24. Just wondering   January 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    Thought Obama made it a LAW that everyone has insurance? Two sides..don’t judge…

  25. Jo Anonymous   January 3, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    A completely legal 2nd semester abortion if that’s what it was, a spontaneous abortion if not. Either way, a great tragedy for the babies, the woman, and her family.

  26. cootiequeen   January 3, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Spontaneious abortion is not punishable by law. neither ignorance.
    If it were, several of the above comments would be in trouble.

  27. jas   January 4, 2015 at 6:35 am

    so very sad to loose a child, even worse to loose two. My heart aches for the woman/girl who lost her children and felt she had no place to go, no help to seek. What a pity. Tragic the people found them..so many questions surrounding this event.

  28. Pink   January 4, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    We prayed for the babies and their parents at Mass this morning at St. Peter’s. We know that the babies are safe in the arms of our Lord.

  29. Fallbrookian4   January 4, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    It could easily have been a young girl who was hiding a pregnancy and therefore never got treatment for a high risk pregnancy (twins). Could have been a welcomed miscarriage for her. The dumping of the babies bodies shows a disconnect with their lives and demonstrates that they were not wanted to begin with. Very sad no matter what the story is. The disconnect is what makes me the saddest. The female who had them will probably never grieve for them and probably only feels relief that the pregnancy is over. Could also have been someone who was homeless, miscarried and left them as close to the churches as they felt safe to go without being on video. Who knows…….just plain sad.

  30. Liveoakparker   January 4, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    If the Catholic Church would quit saying birth control was a sin. Maybe it would help with the problem of children having children. and the over population we are experiencing

  31. Twin Mom   January 5, 2015 at 1:16 am

    There is a mom out there without her babies, probably not by choice, who acted in fear with lack of resource.

    Two fetuses with one placenta is a very high risk pregnancy that needs monitoring, and even then the risk of stillborn is high. If she miscarried at 20 weeks or so they would have had no chance of survival. She suffered the loss of two children at once.

    I went my entire pregnancy terrified that I wouldn’t have two healthy babies at the end and I am privileged with all of the resources in the world.

    For whatever reason she placed her stillborn babies in a basket with a blanket. Perhaps hoping someone else could bury them. She didn’t toss them in the dumpster.

    Stop the judgement. She will probably mourn this loss for a lifetime.

  32. Fallbrookian4   January 5, 2015 at 1:19 am

    Liveoakparker #30. Do you know how many churches are on the street right there? What in the world does the Catholic church have to do with any of this? Your comment makes zero sense. These little babies were found in a home north of ALL those churches. Why are you focused on one of those churches? That is just a plain bizarre comment.

  33. Mom of lots   January 5, 2015 at 10:56 am

    The belief in "over population" needs to be re-assessed unless, of course, you believe your very own life contributes to "over population." Narcissism plays a large role into this myth.

  34. joemamma   January 5, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Oh Fallbrook, sometimes you disappoint me. So much blame and finger pointing and jumping to conclusions. How do we know for sure what happened when none of us were there? For all we know, this girl miscarried. Maybe she had been shunned from her family for being pregnant. Maybe she went to the church for help because that’s the only place she felt safe. Maybe she had the miscarriage right there and freaked out and left. Maybe she even stayed for a while and realized they were still born. Maybe she stayed and mourned. With the ER closed,where was she supposed to go? Have some compassion. Did the Christmas spirit leave that fast?

  35. ERIN   January 5, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    I do hope when they find this girl. That she is given a participation ribbon. After all, under our new way of thinking. She did do her very best and should be acknowledged.

  36. suzanne   January 5, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    so sad all the mother had to do is turn the babys over to a hospital

  37. FR86   January 5, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    While this is a very sad story, I would suggest that we all let the facts present themselves before we all start passing judgement and turning it into a social/political blog. Some of you are revealing how depraved you are.


  38. Outside the box   January 5, 2015 at 6:08 pm

    My heart goes out to the likely young lady that had a miscarriage, this is something that will be with her for a life time. It seems she is somehow connected to the Catholic Church. It seems in a old way she did the right thing for the Catholic Church will give them a good burial. I hope someday the Catholic Church teaches birth control over abstinence and maybe we will see less of this. Has been happening in Ireland And other counties with a strong tie to the Catholic Church for many years.

  39. bulldog   January 5, 2015 at 7:06 pm

    Use condoms, this woman does not deserve to have kids ever again.

  40. Cindy   January 5, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    Comment # 33 said by a woman whose claim to fame seems to be her ability to pop out lots of kids.

  41. joss   January 5, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    From UT San Diego’s update: "the medical examiners’ office declines to say whether the girls were alive at birth or stillborn, or how far along they were in gestation, citing the ongoing investigation."

  42. Baby Safe Haven New England   January 5, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    In CA the Baby Safe Haven law is only promoted in the media by a 71 year old! How is that supposed to work? There’s also discrimination against young people who would want to come forward in the media to inform their peers.
    Below are the recent links to the true experts in Baby Safe Haven laws. They are the experts because they can get the necessary information to the core demographic of young women who may find themselves in a situation that would result in the abandonment of a newborn. For the 13 to 30 year old community of young women the experts have to be able to communicate to this group on a one to one, peer to peer basis. Without these young communicators, these youth community connectors, the necessary data won’t be remembered or even heard by most young women.
    50, 60 and even 70 year old authorities may believe they are experts on safe haven laws, but their complete lack of ability to communicate to young women makes them far, far less effective to really help the group that needs the necessary info.
    In Chicagoland en Espanol: https://soundcloud.com/dtvpro/kiararivera-on-la-ley-1079-chicago
    In the Kansas region: http://ksn.com/2014/07/01/baby-safe-haven-awareness-campaign/
    In the NYC/Tri-state region: https://soundcloud.com/dtvpro/despina-drougas-on-98q-baby-safe-haven
    In TN: http://youtu.be/qtmypoHp3Vw
    In New England: http://youtu.be/k3dn_DPodPw

  43. WTF   January 6, 2015 at 9:54 am

    I am both amazed and saddened by the number of people who believe that it is somehow OK to dump babies like garbage simply because abortion is legal. What is legal may be defined differently by some, but how about morally? Do any of you even know what that word means anymore? We do not know any details of what happened here, so far it is all speculation, and for the life of me I can’t understand why some are blaming the Catholic church. The babies weren’t left at the church they were left in a private driveway and the people who found these poor, precious little girls were not only shocked but sickened by what this thoughtless and callous individual did. They will never get over it. I hope and pray that the mother of these babies was able to seek medical help. Whomever she is she will have to live with what happened here for the rest of her life. As a Christian I am not opposed to either birth control or abstinence, but apparently this mother didn’t practice either method.

  44. Fed Up   January 6, 2015 at 11:26 am

    Unless young girls are made knowledgeable about birth control, there will be teeangers having babies…hormones win out, abstinence doesn’t cut it….and, yes, they may well not see being pregnant as a great ‘gift’, but a great problem…which to most teenage girls, it is. So you may have a lot of unwanted babies and young women whose lives are dictated by having babies too young. We do not know the circumstances of what has occurred here…we do not know if this was a teenage girl and probably never will, so we each interpret it in the manner of our own beliefs and thinking. Ignorance and ANY church advocating against sex education and birth control is in the wrong…those are MY beliefs.

  45. Tragic situation   January 6, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    This is such a sad event. Any loss of young life is especially tragic, and this abandonment is difficult for any of us to comprehend. I always expect the folks responding to this blog to start from the point of view of their own morals, values, and ideals in a situation such as this to help gain understanding of how this tragedy could occur here. But to blame the Catholic church and its promotion of life becuase it was nearby seems nothing more than a convenient, simple-minded assignment of blame. The truth of what happened may well lie in one of the comments above regarding miscarriage, fear, etc., etc., but since we don’t know for sure, I choose to consider the event a tragedy that can’t be solved with blame.

  46. Hmm   January 6, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    Facts not being shared yet with the media. However it seems that two people made these children. Can anyone honestly say it’s ok to leave babies anywhere except the hospital.quit assuming, and please quit defending.what this person did was w r o n g. For the excuse ..she was scared..alone..bla bla bla. No one knows. Hoping the truth will be shared soon. Interesting that this happened a day before a baby was found dead in a garbage bin in San Diego and it’s considered murder..how is this different? What kind of mother would she have made ? Mothers have to make emergency decisions all the time. Mothers are responsible for their babies..from the moment of being conceived. It’s does not matter where these lives ended up..plain and simple.there are two little babies who don’t have a life because of the decision of one person.Sex education..abstinence or ignorance. It doesn’t take a college degree to figure out that if one is willing to get pregnant,one better make responsible choices as There are planned parent hoods in every town.scared? You betcha..but she has a higher power who will judge her..not us.

  47. ReReRe   January 7, 2015 at 7:48 am

    I have just got to jump in here. I got pregnant at the age of 16. I was shunned by my family, I had no where to live and no one to help me in any way. I realized it was not that infants fault to be conceived, so I took it upon myself to sign adoption papers before that infant was born. I daily live with my decision, but I am also relieved that the family that adopted her, was good people. I got to meet the people. So as far as saying that there is no where to turn for a girl or women is "bull" and I have no sympathy for the mother, but for the infants that did not choose to be conceived, nor choose to be treated in this manner. Even if the infants wee stillborn, that does not give that mother the right to discard these precious little babies like she did. I hope she walks around for the rest of her life in shame, and if she thinks she will get away with this, I have to say. It is not going to happen, your DNA is all over the place. Shame!!!!

  48. joss   January 7, 2015 at 10:35 am

    They say we have two ears and one mouth in the hopes that we’ll listen twice as much as we talk. That we have ten fingers goes a long to way to explaining internet comments.

  49. Preston   January 7, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    Unforgivable, of course.
    Shameful, absolutely.
    Sad, perhaps even criminal.
    But let

  50. John   January 7, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    None of us know the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, could it be rape or incest?? the age of the pregnant woman, what if she was only 12 and had no knowledge she was even pregnant. You can’t put yourself into someone else’s shoes no matter how similar your circumstances. The babies at 20 weeks would not have survived and hopefully the placenta fully detached. She may have lost a lot of blood and was confused or just very distraught after trying years to have a child and losing her baby. Stop speculating until you know what happened but the negative comments are not helpful.

  51. Mom of lots   January 7, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    Thank you ReReRe! Yes, tis true. My mother had me as a teenager. She had just about everyone scratching their heads why she would bother…."Just have an abortion" they said. I’m so thankful she did not and so thankful for mothers like you who selflessly give life!

  52. Re Mom Of Lots   January 8, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    It is wonderful to see that something that was so hard to do had and had a happy ending. Thank you for your acknowledgement and your heartfelt message.

  53. MMN   May 31, 2015 at 8:25 pm

    Why do the call the babies “fetuses”?
    Sorry to the above comment the babies wouldn’t have survived at
    20 weeks, they can actually survive that young.
    This is a tragedy and heartbreaking story.
    So very sad.


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